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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and

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Chris we're back at the old Stan the

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para cast a week after we did that

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memorial to Jim Mosely and it's amazing

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how much information how much

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documentation how much commentary has

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been about Jim Mosely online when we

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consider the fact that Jim I don't think

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ever in his entire life ever went online

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interesting

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yeah well it's passed though the old

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guard in with the new I guess Jim used

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an electric typewriter the type saucer

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smear his telephone didn't have caller

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ID he didn't have an answering machine

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he didn't have a fax machine when his

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electric typewriter wore out he got

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another one he was in contact with some

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dealer back east where he would be able

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to buy these used or rebuilt

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smith-corona

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electric typewriters the same kind of

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typewriters he used in the 70s and 80s

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so there you go I just saw an article

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somebody mentioned Mosely of course and

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his avowed old textile and I guess the

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last new typewriter was manufactured in

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Europe and they don't make them anymore

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that's the official word you cannot buy

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a new typewriter anymore well I have a

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smith-corona electronic typewriter from

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the 1980s made in 1980s or something

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like that I wonder is it worth anything

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it's in pretty good shape

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I don't know if you can get any more

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cartridges rippen cartridges for it I

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guess you can that would be the problem

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yes I know Mosley was he scoured the

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countryside for cartridges and he

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probably has a whole box of him

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somewhere well I would think that

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Elizabeth his daughter would sell those

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off raise a little cash you know but you

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know it's like everything else I think

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at the end all Jim had going for him was

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saucer smear

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and his relationships with fellow people

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in the UFO field right and I think we're

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the only show that he actually did for

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quite a while so we do have kind of

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historical documentation of you know his

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last years and he was always very very

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happy to appear on the show

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of course you guys were friends for

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decades and I was found it fascinating

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to hear him reminisce and impart his

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peculiar brand of a wisdom and insight

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about the field and the people in it it

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was mostly a fly on the wall but I was

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always very honored to to be there and

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to listen to some of his his wonderful

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stories some of his wackiness now Jim

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had this very dry sense of humor so he

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would basically say everything in the

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same almost monotone the way oh he would

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speak the same speech pattern it could

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be funny he could be serious he did the

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same way we had Jim Mosely on the power

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Cass a total of 16 times you know he was

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on the very first episode very important

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February 2006 Jim was on Brad Steiger

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came up on another part of the show at

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that time we were doing half and half

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two guests one guest for half the show

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another guest for the other half of the

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show Jim was always a trouper you know

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if we didn't have a guess we were short

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of a guest or a guest decide not to come

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I pick up the phone say Jim what are you

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doing tomorrow and he always made time

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yeah yeah he would complain oh I gotta

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do this and I have to go out and they're

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bringing in a copy of smear and I have

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to be available to answer the door I

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said you can answer the door when we're

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recording the shovel just stop for a

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couple of minutes you pick up the boxes

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but he never said no never said no he

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never said no and that was a real friend

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you know he was also my first full-time

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employer you know and we still remember

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it's incredible though how much tribute

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we've seen for Jim except on the UFO

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updates mailing list I mean there's been

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a few just a very few you know there

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have been yes

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as much we do by the way neighbors have

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a website called Jim Mosely calm no one

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took that name so I took it I don't have

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anything there in terms of content just

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a couple of links and also segments of

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the letter he wrote to Geneva Hagen

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where I guess they'd be considered his

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last words or nearly last words talking

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about his life in a couple of paragraphs

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so we have it up there that's all we

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have but we will be bringing on people

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who knew Jim in the future in fact in a

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couple of weeks we have a skeptic on the

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show booked unless that changes guy

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named Lance Moody

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who's a very active participant in the

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power cast forums but of course he also

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gets into very heated arguments with

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people who believe more than he does he

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and Chris never see eye to eye on

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anything except for one thing a certain

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UFO investigator with fake educational

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credentials who shall go unnamed because

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we give him them too much publicity

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already Lance was the guy who exposed

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him first you know well I'm sure we're

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gonna talk about that in many other

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things he's a piece of work

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very interesting guy and also he was a

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close friend of Jim Mosely now Jim

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Mosely was somebody who didn't

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discriminate in one's beliefs you're a

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atheist you're a believer he could be

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your friend if you were a contact II

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contactee Howard manager was a good

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friend of Jim's Lance Moody Phil class

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good friends of Jim's Jim knew dr.

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Donald Menzel and bought some of his

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space being paintings you know Donald

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astronomer and also an arch UFO skeptic

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also did paintings and Jim bought some

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of them he also hung out with the people

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who believe different phases about UFOs

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so even though he had a very sharp wit

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and a sharp pointed critical comment to

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make about things he didn't agree with

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or people who engaged in so-called fuzzy

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logic he had a wide circle of friends an

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amazingly wide circle of friends

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ya know gonna miss him we sure are

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that's why

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we keep talking about him you know you

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know it's kind of like there is a final

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issue of smear sauce or smear his

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publication I'm hoping it'll be mailed

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soon so we can all see what's going on I

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understand somebody attacked me in that

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newsletter Jim didn't discriminate you

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know he gets letters from people

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plus-minus pro/con he hasn't and today

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we're not going to talk about UFOs so

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much as some other subjects that we get

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into from time to time and one of them

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tell me more about this there's a book

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out called missing for one one western

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US and Canada unexplained disappearances

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of North Americans what's this all about

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well David Pilates is a investigator

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researcher who like some of us have

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always kind of wondered about the

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thousands of people that disappear every

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year in this country and a lot of them

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are in the western states and as we will

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find out in the western provinces of

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Canada and it's really difficult in this

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modern day and age to believe that

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people can just vanish without a trace

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and leave no evidence or clues behind to

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know didn't help investigators and

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researchers in law enforcement figure

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out what happened to them so I think

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we're all gonna have an eye-opening show

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today and we're gonna learn a lot about

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this very mysterious phenomenal kind of

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hidden subject I think I think we gotta

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kick around some ideas about what could

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be behind this and I I have not read the

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book yet I do plan on reading it it is

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on my on my list of books that I need to

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to look into because I've always had a

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sense that maybe there was something

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potentially high strange behind some if

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not many of these disappearances and

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we're gonna we're really gonna kick that

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around today now one question I do want

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to ask during this session is whether

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some of these people maybe just wanted

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to disappear they didn't die they

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weren't injured nothing hi strange

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occurred they just decided for whatever

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reason they didn't want to be found

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also I gather there is supposed to be a

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DNA test now of Bigfoot

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so we

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got JC Johnson here to talk about it

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that's fascinating isn't it man

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yeah and there's a bit of controversy

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around the the release of information

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prior to the completion of peer review

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of this very obviously controversial

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scientific study that is now being

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reviewed by the scientific community and

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JC of course will address that plus some

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of the very interesting cases that he is

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supposedly working on of course JC is

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our man into four corners and he's

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always a pleasure to have on one of my

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favorites favorite guests he just has so

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many incredible things to talk about

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it's gonna be a fun show and starts in

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cast you know when Chris and I were

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talking about our guests this week we've

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have JC Johnson cryptozoologists and

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David Politis

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I wondered here what's gonna happen if I

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mispronounce David's name now he's

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author of a new book called missing for

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one one western United States and Canada

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unexplained disappearances of North

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Americans that have never been solved

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and if I mispronounce his name will I be

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one of those missing people I don't

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think you have anything to worry about

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unless Barbara decides to hide you in

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some dumpster somewhere that's very

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close okay that's gonna happen okay I'm

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gonna be hidden somewhere well you

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should have avoid wearing bright colored

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clothing in the woods

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is that it I think so so if Bigfoot is

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after me JC what's gonna happen here is

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that people will not look for me or

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Bigfoot won't look for me if I have dark

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clothes if I have brightly colored

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clothes reds and yellows and everything

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forget about it I think Dave will get

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more into that for you you prepare for

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that right David I am ready okay sounds

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good JC one of the more interesting

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discussions happening in this day and

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age is this breaking story about the

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possible discovery of a hybrid DNA from

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a study of Bigfoot samples what's going

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on yes yes indeedy over a hundred nine

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samples were compiled pretty much from

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the United States and Canada

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and dr. Ketchum's been working and

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testing with some other scientists

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multiple DNA laboratories and so forth

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with the double-blind testing with the

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different labs and they come back with

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the same results it kind of a little bit

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premature because Igor Bohr Steph got a

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little bit excited and released some

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information kind of prematurely Melba's

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even said so on television and then she

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had to go ahead and do a press release a

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little bit early a little bit sooner

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than they were ready is that why we're

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getting all this publicity it's not

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quite there yet they're still doing the

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research just as well but actually the

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papers in peer-review at this point and

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as she said it'll be weeks instead of

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months so we can all look forward to

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that well maybe you can give us some

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preliminary information here you said

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from how many samples over a hundred and

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nine okay how are these samples acquired

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and what leads anyone to believe they

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would be related to Bigfoot the samples

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were acquired there's a lot of people

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out there that have excellent hair traps

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where they cannot catch the follicles in

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the hair so they can be tested and so

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forth they've got hair traps out there

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we've got a lot of people who have

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different methods of gathering saliva we

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have different method methods of

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gathering different things from these

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furry people so all right so we have

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these samples gathered so what are we

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seeing what do the preliminary results

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show basically what you've got is a way

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to tie all the different samples in

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together to make them all correlate with

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each other obviously if something comes

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through if it's dog it's dog if it's

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deer it's deer if it's bear it's bear if

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it's cougar it's cougar if it's a known

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animal you know it's not going to be in

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the study and it's so much as is a type

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of secret recipe as you will and I hate

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to even put it like that because I'm not

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a geneticist I don't know that much

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about DNA other than how to spell d and

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a but I will tell you this

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everything correlates with the other

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samples to point and indicate to a new

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species all right new species in what

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respect are they seeing things that just

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don't match

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any known species is it kind of like a

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human comes down to who's your daddy and

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I think that's what's gonna be in

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question because the mitochondrial DNA

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tells us who the mother was the nuclear

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testing on the DNA points to who the

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father is er actually tells us who the

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father is so that's what's going to be

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in question what the progeny ater is as

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far as who's your daddy and preliminary

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results at least based on a couple of

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articles I've read are indicating that

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some sort of unknown hominid is

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responsible for the the father side of

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the DNA and it seems to be there's some

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evidence of human female DNA I guess in

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the other half of the equation

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well the mitochondrial DNA yep without a

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doubt human this is gonna be very

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interesting and I'm I am already picking

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up rumblings from the skeptical

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community claiming that oh well

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obviously these samples have been

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tainted by improper gathering techniques

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but if that's the case then how do you

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explain the the unknown DNA so you know

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it's obviously it's premature it's in

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peer-review Melba's had to come out and

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and make some statements about this this

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is not how science is normally done

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normally this type of work is completely

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put in front of the scientific community

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before any sort of results are announced

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so we're gonna have to wait and see how

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this all plays out I think eventually

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and I think it's unfortunate that that

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some some people involved in the study

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are so excited about the results that

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they're leaking certain things about it

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again this is not the way good science

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is practiced so we're gonna have to

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adopt a patient wait-and-see attitude

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and I think JC is correct and in

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pointing out that this is the

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double-blind study so it should pass

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muster with the scientific community if

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all the I's are dotted and the t's

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across so we're just gonna have to wait

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and see it's very exciting it's very

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exciting if it turns out to be the

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definitive proof that we do have in

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on categorized hominid running around

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the woods of the world JC is saying

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peer-reviewed where for what publication

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this I don't know okay there so don't

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know alright well hopefully we'll get

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that information

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it's unfortunate as Chris says when you

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have early release of information about

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this now one thing I want to ask JC the

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reference to hybrid DNA we're saying

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then that maybe Bigfoot had an

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association with a human female

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perhaps this comes down to my opinion

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and this comes down to a lot of the

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different investigations that we've done

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a lot of the local lore especially among

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the Danai the Navajo they've got stories

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that go back hundreds of years about

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women being taken by these yeah it's on

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me it's so furry people and some of the

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women never coming back some of them

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coming back and being with child from

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these furry people so they breathe in to

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us they breathe out of us I really can't

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explain it all I'm just gonna go with

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what I know from the stories is they do

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take females from Navajo Laura Pueblo

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people Zuni these different areas

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they've all Northwest this this whole

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scenario of presenting the female to the

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to the big hairy guy coming in from the

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woods that's featured in let's say the

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the story in in films of King Kong this

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is something that I think has

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deep-rooted a deep-rooted presence

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within native at least North American

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cultures and I remember as a kid hearing

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stories that the Indians every four

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years if memory serves me correct would

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present Sasquatch with a fair maiden

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from the Indian village so it's kind of

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like almost a sacrifice we'll cover this

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in greater detail in a moment we're

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talking about Bigfoot possible DNA

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discoveries and we'll talk about missing

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you're gonna hear stuff here that you

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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

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that George snoring no we are not

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missing yet some people kind of hope we

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would be but we're not we're still here

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Dean Steinberg Chris O'Brien with David

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m'ladies author of a book called missing

648
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for one one with a very long subtitle

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but mysterious disappearances of people

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in the US and Canada Jacy Johnson

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talking about the possible hybrid DNA

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discovery involving Bigfoot and the fact

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here that you and Chris were talking

654
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about where females are offered in

655
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sacrifice to Bigfoot and I wonder then

656
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over the years over the centuries wooden

657
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Bigfoot become more human-like if we

658
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have this crossbreeding going on you

659
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know I couldn't explain that entirely

660
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other than the fact that we've got the

661
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stories that these things have happened

662
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it was Franciscan monk back in the 1780s

663
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was keeping a journal and two of them

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women had been taken by the furry people

665
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and they were gone for almost a year and

666
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they lived on an island in the Rio

667
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Grande and the men would leave and

668
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they'd come back and bring him deer meat

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and things like that too

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and they finally learned habitually how

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long they were gonna be out haunting in

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they escaped and they even found a

673
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neighboring tribe on their way home that

674
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weren't wasn't friendly with their their

675
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tribe and when they told him their story

676
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that the tribe gave him a safe passage

677
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back to their people and they gave birth

678
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to children I guess that came out

679
00:28:50,860 --> 00:28:47,700
looking normal enough that story and

680
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David Hatcher children's books yetis and

681
00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:54,330
hairy Giants we're in Russia I think in

682
00:29:00,800 --> 00:28:57,750
the 40s wasn't a woman supposedly taken

683
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:00,810
by subgroups the Siberian wild man or

684
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:03,840
hairy people as you put it and came back

685
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and gave birth to children that were

686
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:08,730
very unusual-looking and I think David

687
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:11,730
published a photograph of one of the

688
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:14,220
guys one of the children I think it's

689
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:16,410
from the 50s after he had grown out but

690
00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:20,490
he looks rather simian and he doesn't

691
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look anything like his mom let's put it

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that way so we've got a well-documented

693
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story the story of Zarina the wild woman

694
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that was captured right and basically

695
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kept in a pen for a couple of years till

696
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they broke her spirit and they let her

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out and she would carry flour sacks from

698
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the mill for her owner

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they gave her all the wine she wanted

700
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and consequently some of the people from

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the village went in and took advantage

702
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of her and she the first baby she had

703
00:29:56,180 --> 00:29:53,940
she went down to the river during the

704
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:56,190
winter to bathe the baby the baby died

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00:30:01,460 --> 00:29:58,290
of a shock and exposure I'm sure from

706
00:30:03,380 --> 00:30:01,470
the ice cold water subsequent births

707
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:03,390
they took the children and basically the

708
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village raised them and it was some

709
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:08,520
Russian ha monologist who went back and

710
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:10,770
they actually dug up some of the

711
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grandchildren I think they dug up cuts

712
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:18,660
cuts his name a grandson and I think he

713
00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:21,240
Gore's got his skull and I think one of

714
00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:23,640
the monster Quest episodes they pulled

715
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:25,740
the truth from the skull and had a DNA

716
00:30:32,030 --> 00:30:30,000
tested so when they pulled that skull

717
00:30:34,450 --> 00:30:32,040
and test the DNA what they find I think

718
00:30:35,859 --> 00:30:34,460
it came back inconclusive

719
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:35,869
and that might be something that needs

720
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:38,480
to be revisited time for another tooth

721
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:41,210
igor the thing I wonder about also here

722
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:43,970
is how different must a creature be

723
00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:47,929
before humans cannot mate with it you

724
00:30:51,879 --> 00:30:49,369
know it sounds like there's a fair

725
00:30:55,450 --> 00:30:51,889
variance here or possibly that Bigfoot

726
00:30:57,359 --> 00:30:55,460
is very close to humans I think it's

727
00:31:01,239 --> 00:30:57,369
time to have Dave chime in on this

728
00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:01,249
definitely glad to where could I help

729
00:31:10,109 --> 00:31:06,830
guys ask him the same question the

730
00:31:13,869 --> 00:31:10,119
question is a stave what's your response

731
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:13,879
so the DNA results come back that it is

732
00:31:20,259 --> 00:31:16,970
essentially human with an unknown father

733
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:20,269
meaning that in GenBank that has

734
00:31:26,909 --> 00:31:23,690
millions and billions of returns on DNA

735
00:31:31,450 --> 00:31:26,919
the father has no classification there

736
00:31:33,549 --> 00:31:31,460
meaning that he doesn't exist so there

737
00:31:35,529 --> 00:31:33,559
have been some rumors out there that the

738
00:31:37,810 --> 00:31:35,539
science paper or science white paper has

739
00:31:41,859 --> 00:31:37,820
this statement in there of Angel DNA

740
00:31:45,820 --> 00:31:41,869
which it does not have but the father is

741
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,830
unknown the mother is known and this is

742
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:48,080
evolved within the last fifteen thousand

743
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:49,809
years and they can tell that by the

744
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:52,159
evolution of the DNA that they found on

745
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:55,610
the mother's side well that also I guess

746
00:32:03,279 --> 00:31:59,360
acquaints the scientists I trust with

747
00:32:06,129 --> 00:32:03,289
the information about the range with

748
00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:06,139
which humans can breed I guess we here

749
00:32:12,970 --> 00:32:09,230
talk for example about alien hybrids

750
00:32:16,629 --> 00:32:12,980
where women are abducted and somehow

751
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:16,639
they're they're taken aboard and forced

752
00:32:24,220 --> 00:32:20,690
to give birth to an alien being or men

753
00:32:25,989 --> 00:32:24,230
have semen samples taken so we assume

754
00:32:28,810 --> 00:32:25,999
that if ET exists and this is really

755
00:32:31,989 --> 00:32:28,820
happening and somehow here the

756
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:31,999
difference between the alien and the

757
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:35,450
human is not so vast or maybe we should

758
00:32:42,909 --> 00:32:37,450
know more about genetic interbreeding or

759
00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:42,919
breeding with different species so when

760
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:44,990
you're submitting a science paper you

761
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:47,570
kind of stick strictly to the science

762
00:32:52,390 --> 00:32:50,210
and you can't use words that would cause

763
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:52,400
the ruffles on these scientists to step

764
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:55,490
up and be objectionable so words like

765
00:33:02,650 --> 00:32:59,840
alien extraterrestrial angel all those

766
00:33:05,260 --> 00:33:02,660
kind of words are not in the paper so

767
00:33:07,270 --> 00:33:05,270
you you and everyone else out there may

768
00:33:09,930 --> 00:33:07,280
be thinking that but the reality of it

769
00:33:15,010 --> 00:33:09,940
is it's sticking straight to the facts

770
00:33:17,410 --> 00:33:15,020
that's it crucial importance scientists

771
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:17,420
are notoriously conservative and gun-shy

772
00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:21,770
in any sort of non adherence to that

773
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,680
particular scenario that David just

774
00:33:29,170 --> 00:33:27,200
described could be a death knell from

775
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,180
any sort of paper and that could be a

776
00:33:34,270 --> 00:33:31,120
lot of years worth going down the tubes

777
00:33:37,180 --> 00:33:34,280
so conceivably there are papers out

778
00:33:39,250 --> 00:33:37,190
there so then do I assume it's possible

779
00:33:41,980 --> 00:33:39,260
that we have these papers or documents

780
00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:41,990
out there that indicate some sort of

781
00:33:47,620 --> 00:33:44,870
interpreting and the results are showing

782
00:33:49,780 --> 00:33:47,630
unknown fathers and possibly unknown

783
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:49,790
mothers that we have all this

784
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:51,850
information all this evidence out there

785
00:33:59,020 --> 00:33:55,490
that contains all this very fascinating

786
00:34:00,910 --> 00:33:59,030
information these papers are there but

787
00:34:02,260 --> 00:34:00,920
they're not recognized for what they are

788
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:02,270
because scientists don't want to

789
00:34:07,090 --> 00:34:04,730
characterize what might be going on I

790
00:34:08,530 --> 00:34:07,100
don't know about that I think this is

791
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:08,540
pretty groundbreaking I've never heard

792
00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:09,649
of any other papers that have been

793
00:34:14,740 --> 00:34:12,470
written in this it was particularly with

794
00:34:17,770 --> 00:34:14,750
this subject I mean correct me if I'm

795
00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:17,780
wrong it was I would agree with that but

796
00:34:21,220 --> 00:34:19,190
I don't believe there is anything out

797
00:34:24,460 --> 00:34:21,230
there even close to this and the reason

798
00:34:27,610 --> 00:34:24,470
for that was there's been many other

799
00:34:31,659 --> 00:34:27,620
tests on purported Bigfoot samples in

800
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:31,669
the past and we've decided five of those

801
00:34:37,980 --> 00:34:35,450
in the paper and of those five all of

802
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:37,990
them came back quote-unquote human and

803
00:34:44,379 --> 00:34:41,090
then the scientists behind those tests

804
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:44,389
claimed that they were contaminated the

805
00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:47,330
truth of that is many of those tests

806
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:49,790
were probably good results were the

807
00:34:55,419 --> 00:34:52,100
scientists just as JC stated didn't

808
00:34:58,270 --> 00:34:55,429
understand how to unlock that to get to

809
00:35:01,120 --> 00:34:58,280
the DNA and when we first started this

810
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,130
with dr. Ketchum in

811
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:03,200
rival Bigfoot one of my first books is

812
00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:05,529
one of the first results she ever had

813
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:08,150
where there were indicators that it was

814
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:09,890
different type of DNA she was working

815
00:35:15,730 --> 00:35:12,609
with and we wrote about it and later on

816
00:35:18,849 --> 00:35:15,740
probably maybe 18 months later this

817
00:35:21,309 --> 00:35:18,859
woman worked relentlessly to try to

818
00:35:24,249 --> 00:35:21,319
understand how to unlock this to get at

819
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:24,259
the DNA because when you just first are

820
00:35:27,849 --> 00:35:26,210
working with it it's going to if you

821
00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:27,859
test for human primers it's going to

822
00:35:33,099 --> 00:35:29,750
come back at the mitochondrial level as

823
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:33,109
human but to get to that nuclear side it

824
00:35:40,359 --> 00:35:36,529
isn't a standard a to be to see you have

825
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:40,369
to unlock certain set of criteria to be

826
00:35:45,759 --> 00:35:43,369
able to get there and again like JC I'm

827
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:45,769
not I'm not a geneticist I'm not a DNA

828
00:35:51,099 --> 00:35:48,890
expert and dr. Ketchum and others have

829
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:51,109
given me that education to know at a

830
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:54,079
sixth-grade level what's going on but I

831
00:35:59,769 --> 00:35:57,440
do know that it was not an easy pass and

832
00:36:01,690 --> 00:35:59,779
I it would be very doubtful that

833
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:01,700
somebody else could find an easier path

834
00:36:06,609 --> 00:36:05,119
to that because in 10 12 15 years that

835
00:36:08,289 --> 00:36:06,619
these five other samples have worked

836
00:36:08,799 --> 00:36:08,299
their way through nobody's been able to

837
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:08,809
do it

838
00:36:12,999 --> 00:36:11,210
Wow the possibilities are endless the

839
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,009
possibilities are fascinating and

840
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:15,200
certainly having some solid scientific

841
00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:17,690
evidence will help in our next segment

842
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:19,369
we'll look at the potential scientific

843
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:23,119
reaction to all this and how the

844
00:36:27,309 --> 00:36:24,890
skeptics will continue to find excuses

845
00:36:29,859 --> 00:36:27,319
to explain how this might be happening

846
00:36:32,019 --> 00:36:29,869
we do welcome your comments write us

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news at the power cast calm once again

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that's news at the power cast calm we

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have david Politis Jacy Johnson joining

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para cast and it's as good as it gets

942
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believe me with gene Steinberg and Chris

943
00:41:23,860 --> 00:41:19,910
O'Brien we're here in the para cast

944
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:23,870
looking at possible DNA test results

945
00:41:30,010 --> 00:41:26,330
that may indicate human women have

946
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:30,020
interbred with Bigfoot lots of

947
00:41:32,410 --> 00:41:31,610
possibilities and as I was suggesting

948
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:32,420
here

949
00:41:36,730 --> 00:41:34,610
what kind of excuses will scientists

950
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:36,740
come up with next what will the

951
00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:39,410
skeptical inquiring organizations say

952
00:41:42,970 --> 00:41:41,750
when you give them this stuff I think

953
00:41:44,050 --> 00:41:42,980
the first thing they're going to say is

954
00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:44,060
that it's contaminated

955
00:41:50,890 --> 00:41:47,750
and that'll be an easy pull the gun real

956
00:41:54,310 --> 00:41:50,900
quick pull the trigger and shoot blindly

957
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,320
again without reading but once you read

958
00:41:59,640 --> 00:41:56,480
the paper and understand that there have

959
00:42:03,730 --> 00:41:59,650
been many many labs involved in this

960
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:03,740
labs that don't do work on animals just

961
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:07,040
strictly on human DNA and these labs all

962
00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:09,770
came back with the same result and all

963
00:42:13,330 --> 00:42:10,990
went through the decontamination

964
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:13,340
procedures which you can do on DNA to

965
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:15,920
ensure that they aren't contaminated and

966
00:42:23,290 --> 00:42:18,710
all of these pointed to the same exact

967
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:23,300
DNA result so when the paper is a very

968
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:27,200
large piece of work it it's mind-blowing

969
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:29,330
when you get into it when you understand

970
00:42:33,070 --> 00:42:32,000
it at a real basic level so there's

971
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:33,080
going to be a lot of people that

972
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:35,690
probably won't really understand it and

973
00:42:39,790 --> 00:42:38,450
the vast vast majority the public will

974
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:39,800
never read it even though it'll be

975
00:42:44,650 --> 00:42:42,410
available and because they won't read it

976
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:44,660
there's going to be the naysayers who

977
00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:48,650
turn and twist and massage this so that

978
00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:52,060
it fits their criteria for a refusal and

979
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:55,550
mainstream science this isn't a group of

980
00:43:01,540 --> 00:42:58,370
high-level scientists from the genetic

981
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:01,550
side or from DNA side that did this this

982
00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:04,130
is a doctor of veterinary medicine and

983
00:43:08,770 --> 00:43:06,830
eventually local yokels like JC and I

984
00:43:11,740 --> 00:43:08,780
that went out there and got these DNA

985
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:11,750
samples and submitted Oh and many times

986
00:43:16,830 --> 00:43:13,850
when it's the amateur that come

987
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:16,840
up with this and does this its refuted

988
00:43:22,780 --> 00:43:19,850
aggressively by the zionist world even

989
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:22,790
though many amateurs have turned the

990
00:43:27,580 --> 00:43:24,770
corner on major science issues over the

991
00:43:30,430 --> 00:43:27,590
years you can already see that there's

992
00:43:33,490 --> 00:43:30,440
some pushback because dr. Ketchum has a

993
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:33,500
DVM with genetics training that she's

994
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:36,800
she's testified in court as an expert on

995
00:43:42,970 --> 00:43:39,710
DNA on many many cases and that's why i

996
00:43:45,820 --> 00:43:42,980
did pay a diagnostics or company had a

997
00:43:48,670 --> 00:43:45,830
pretty prominent place there in texas so

998
00:43:50,170 --> 00:43:48,680
the short answer to this is many people

999
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,180
are going to push back on the science

1000
00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:52,400
side and they're gonna try to massage

1001
00:43:57,700 --> 00:43:55,220
and twist the data to fit their paradigm

1002
00:44:01,060 --> 00:43:57,710
but the reality is if you actually read

1003
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:01,070
the paper and you actually look to see

1004
00:44:05,410 --> 00:44:02,810
what was done to overcome certain

1005
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:05,420
obstacles you're going to be amazed and

1006
00:44:08,770 --> 00:44:07,280
keep in mind too is they're handling

1007
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:08,780
this stuff like a forensic pathologist

1008
00:44:15,850 --> 00:44:12,050
and as dave said that you know they they

1009
00:44:18,370 --> 00:44:15,860
can pretty well be certain there's no

1010
00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:18,380
contamination when these samples are

1011
00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:20,150
handled in that manner what you

1012
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:21,950
understand of course the usual excuse

1013
00:44:27,820 --> 00:44:24,050
given in a courtroom say you're having a

1014
00:44:29,860 --> 00:44:27,830
murder trial and using DNA evidence well

1015
00:44:32,380 --> 00:44:29,870
the defense will say you know what the

1016
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:32,390
evidence is contaminated can't be my

1017
00:44:38,830 --> 00:44:35,680
client it really was the one-armed man

1018
00:44:41,830 --> 00:44:38,840
yep exactly the other thing i can really

1019
00:44:44,010 --> 00:44:41,840
speak you know on our part in to you'll

1020
00:44:47,860 --> 00:44:44,020
see in the videos were actually

1021
00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:47,870
collecting samples there were in gloves

1022
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:50,030
they're not sneezing on the samples

1023
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:53,330
we've got full custody of the samples

1024
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:56,450
from from infancy all the way to being

1025
00:45:00,640 --> 00:44:58,490
sent to the laboratories and the way

1026
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:00,650
they were handled and photographed and

1027
00:45:05,170 --> 00:45:02,510
documented the way these samples were

1028
00:45:08,020 --> 00:45:05,180
handled no human flesh came in contact

1029
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:08,030
with any of these samples and they were

1030
00:45:13,090 --> 00:45:09,680
handled accordingly so there wouldn't be

1031
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:13,100
any contamination from us so that's

1032
00:45:16,510 --> 00:45:14,570
something of course i'll be summarized

1033
00:45:18,910 --> 00:45:16,520
in the report how the evidence was

1034
00:45:20,740 --> 00:45:18,920
gathered and the precautions taken yeah

1035
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:20,750
and you wore the same gloves they were

1036
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:23,510
on CSI right no no brand-new gloves

1037
00:45:28,540 --> 00:45:25,730
every time come on yeah

1038
00:45:31,180 --> 00:45:28,550
no JCI I want to adhere to that I've

1039
00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:31,190
been involved in in fieldwork where I

1040
00:45:36,849 --> 00:45:33,950
have gathered scientific samples and if

1041
00:45:40,810 --> 00:45:36,859
you're properly trained on how to do

1042
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:40,820
this and you document the process in my

1043
00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:43,730
case I had the BBC there who filmed the

1044
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:46,310
entire sample gathering process this

1045
00:45:55,210 --> 00:45:49,190
particular set of sample soil and plant

1046
00:45:58,330 --> 00:45:55,220
and forensic samples were sent to a lab

1047
00:46:01,450 --> 00:45:58,340
and was part of a study so if you

1048
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,460
document how you go about gathering the

1049
00:46:05,980 --> 00:46:02,960
samples and you're very careful

1050
00:46:07,810 --> 00:46:05,990
obviously with the evidence chain then

1051
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:07,820
it shouldn't be called into question but

1052
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:10,160
as we know the debunkers out they're

1053
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:11,690
gonna look for anything they can

1054
00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:14,810
possibly find that will refute the the

1055
00:46:19,540 --> 00:46:17,480
results if they're positive the bottom

1056
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:19,550
line is the science of the whole

1057
00:46:25,150 --> 00:46:22,010
situation is going to show that we share

1058
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:25,160
this planet with just one thing we can't

1059
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:28,010
explain that's that's the whole bottom

1060
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:29,810
line there and that's going to be open

1061
00:46:34,420 --> 00:46:32,090
for conjectures and discussions and as

1062
00:46:36,130 --> 00:46:34,430
dave said you know you can twist it to

1063
00:46:39,940 --> 00:46:36,140
fit in to your belief system of what

1064
00:46:42,370 --> 00:46:39,950
these furry things are the conjectures

1065
00:46:44,260 --> 00:46:42,380
are out there number one the science if

1066
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,270
it will speak for itself that is my hope

1067
00:46:48,220 --> 00:46:46,880
and at least the acceptance that we're

1068
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:48,230
sharing this planet was something we

1069
00:46:55,330 --> 00:46:50,570
can't explain the other question I have

1070
00:46:57,730 --> 00:46:55,340
here is why should be so outrageous to

1071
00:47:00,310 --> 00:46:57,740
think that maybe there's a few species

1072
00:47:01,930 --> 00:47:00,320
out there or a few hundred or a thousand

1073
00:47:05,050 --> 00:47:01,940
or million species we haven't discovered

1074
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:05,060
yet why do we always want to think we

1075
00:47:09,730 --> 00:47:07,850
know everything well and why do we

1076
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:09,740
always want it to be what we want it to

1077
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:13,280
be not what it is that's another thing

1078
00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:17,990
you know I I was I was in the complete

1079
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:19,940
eight situation you know this is

1080
00:47:24,220 --> 00:47:22,310
Gigantopithecus or this is an offshoot

1081
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:24,230
of Gigantopithecus or something of that

1082
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:27,850
nature and I don't know that the study

1083
00:47:32,780 --> 00:47:30,650
will shed any more light onto that but

1084
00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:32,790
you know the human factor is there

1085
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:37,740
that's the bottom line guys I'm gonna

1086
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email chain with 30 of the most

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prominent Bigfoot researchers in the

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world and they're in the last two days

1089
00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:48,540
I've had a terse exchange back and forth

1090
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:51,060
with one of these very very prominent

1091
00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:55,020
scientists and it's gone around and

1092
00:48:02,330 --> 00:47:58,530
around and around about the facts behind

1093
00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:02,340
the human genetics versus his what Jesse

1094
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:04,350
said the ape or the gorilla theory that

1095
00:48:09,890 --> 00:48:07,050
it's Gigantopithecus and this person is

1096
00:48:11,870 --> 00:48:09,900
very staunchly got their feet and submit

1097
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:11,880
that it's an ape and it's a gorilla and

1098
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,160
they have lived their entire career by

1099
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:17,040
this they've written books about it they

1100
00:48:23,570 --> 00:48:20,940
are there and during this exchange I

1101
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:23,580
tried to to get this person to read a

1102
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,730
few books that I recommended and open

1103
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,800
their mind up a little bit just as JC

1104
00:48:32,330 --> 00:48:30,660
said rather than it be something that

1105
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:32,340
you want it to be what if it's something

1106
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:35,490
that you hadn't planned on and in

1107
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:37,710
science it's very hard to accept a

1108
00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:40,710
complete unknown meaning that the male

1109
00:48:45,980 --> 00:48:42,180
side of the genetics here have never

1110
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:45,990
been identified so that to them rather

1111
00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:48,450
than accept that it's it's much easier

1112
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:51,150
to completely discount and say pop you

1113
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:54,420
know contamination is that isn't it also

1114
00:49:00,290 --> 00:48:58,650
true guys that we've always expanded our

1115
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:00,300
understanding of the world right now we

1116
00:49:05,180 --> 00:49:03,420
believe that the earth is 4.5 billion

1117
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:05,190
years old except for a few people who

1118
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:07,890
still say it's 6,000 years old we keep

1119
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:10,170
moving back the timeline of the first

1120
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:13,500
man or the first Neanderthal or the

1121
00:49:18,260 --> 00:49:15,960
missing link or whatever so science is

1122
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:18,270
always evolving we can't expect it to

1123
00:49:22,490 --> 00:49:20,310
always be the same and it's a good thing

1124
00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:22,500
to the science is evolving and you know

1125
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:25,020
we're going back further and further and

1126
00:49:32,660 --> 00:49:28,500
further into a human history and tool

1127
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:32,670
use a lot sooner and typically I I think

1128
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:36,060
with with us being as far as I'm

1129
00:49:42,530 --> 00:49:37,770
concerned a separate creation as

1130
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:42,540
humankind I think that in the situations

1131
00:49:47,570 --> 00:49:44,910
where we were ended up in caves that

1132
00:49:50,420 --> 00:49:47,580
the ghetto the slum I I think we're

1133
00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:50,430
hardwired to build houses I think we're

1134
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:52,560
hardwired to hunt I think we're

1135
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:55,410
hardwired to plant I wanna ask you about

1136
00:50:01,250 --> 00:49:58,260
the sentence they're you know separate

1137
00:50:03,350 --> 00:50:01,260
creations how so but it's interesting

1138
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:03,360
too that I think most of your domestic

1139
00:50:10,670 --> 00:50:07,140
seeds start popping up about 15,000

1140
00:50:13,310 --> 00:50:10,680
years ago also and what say to find that

1141
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:13,320
so are listen to that gets into a whole

1142
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:16,140
nother thought trained a whole nother

1143
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:18,210
can of worms I think a lot of

1144
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:20,210
interesting things were happening about

1145
00:50:27,590 --> 00:50:22,770
actually probably around 22,000 years

1146
00:50:32,830 --> 00:50:27,600
ago yeah mankind first accidentally

1147
00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:32,840
fermented grain and probably the whole

1148
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:35,700
initial of one of the initial

1149
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:38,730
motivations to to plant grains was to

1150
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:45,450
make beer my ancestors ancestors not

1151
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:48,660
mine the DNA trait is still there now

1152
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:49,980
neighbors we've been trying to find

1153
00:50:53,570 --> 00:50:51,660
different ways for you to participate in

1154
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:53,580
the para castes and have your questions

1155
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:56,970
asked and the best way right now is to

1156
00:51:00,590 --> 00:50:59,040
visit the para caste community forums

1157
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:00,600
that's the power caste community forums

1158
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:03,930
at forum dot the para cast calm once

1159
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,640
again that's forum dot the power cast

1160
00:51:10,850 --> 00:51:07,920
calm we have a place there called the

1161
00:51:13,340 --> 00:51:10,860
question Bank where you can ask your

1162
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:13,350
questions of forthcoming guests the day

1163
00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:16,050
before we recorded this show we open it

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00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:18,300
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1165
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:20,130
listeners at forum dot the power cast

1166
00:51:25,820 --> 00:51:23,520
calm in our next segment we'll ask one

1167
00:51:28,340 --> 00:51:25,830
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JC Johnson joining gene and Chris you're

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stating a central bank issuing the

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

1224
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standard of paranormal radio and now

1225
00:54:15,450 --> 00:54:12,160
here's Jane Steinberg okay folks so we

1226
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:15,460
started our focus on possible DNA

1227
00:54:20,609 --> 00:54:18,130
evidence of my indicate reality of

1228
00:54:23,370 --> 00:54:20,619
Bigfoot or some kind of hybrid creature

1229
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:23,380
that contains a little bit of Bigfoot a

1230
00:54:29,339 --> 00:54:26,050
little bit of humankind with gene and

1231
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:29,349
Chris and David Politis and JC Johnson

1232
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:31,510
exploring all these things we did also

1233
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,570
very briefly open our forms that formed

1234
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:36,400
out the para cast calm to questions

1235
00:54:40,260 --> 00:54:38,650
about the things we're talking about

1236
00:54:42,420 --> 00:54:40,270
today we do have one question it's

1237
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:42,430
relevant to our discussion Chris yeah

1238
00:54:46,890 --> 00:54:44,410
this comes from Mike who's been a

1239
00:54:49,170 --> 00:54:46,900
five-year member of the para cast for

1240
00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:49,180
him at formed out the para cast com

1241
00:54:55,710 --> 00:54:50,710
he's very tired and he's never logged

1242
00:54:56,790 --> 00:54:55,720
out yeah he's he's he's been around for

1243
00:54:59,400 --> 00:54:56,800
a while and he does ask good questions

1244
00:55:01,470 --> 00:54:59,410
and this is something I was wondering

1245
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:01,480
about David as well who is actually

1246
00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:03,730
doing the so-called peer review on the

1247
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:06,190
DNA results and how long do you think

1248
00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:08,530
it's gonna take for the actual results

1249
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:10,750
to be made public I personally don't

1250
00:55:15,780 --> 00:55:12,880
know exactly where this is that today

1251
00:55:18,180 --> 00:55:15,790
and it would be improper for anybody who

1252
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:18,190
would know to release that information

1253
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:21,430
so Casey myself and everyone else is

1254
00:55:24,420 --> 00:55:23,050
under non-disclosure agreements that we

1255
00:55:26,130 --> 00:55:24,430
came from this information that isn't

1256
00:55:28,109 --> 00:55:26,140
already out there in the public venue so

1257
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,119
we wouldn't say where it was that but

1258
00:55:32,099 --> 00:55:30,640
hopefully it's moving ahead this process

1259
00:55:35,130 --> 00:55:32,109
takes much longer than many people

1260
00:55:38,130 --> 00:55:35,140
understand when you talk about probably

1261
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:38,140
the most important article ever written

1262
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:40,810
in any scientific journal anywhere ever

1263
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:43,089
if you were those scientists that had to

1264
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:45,130
approve this you would make sure you

1265
00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:46,570
went through this with a fine-tooth comb

1266
00:55:50,730 --> 00:55:48,910
so the people that are reviewing it

1267
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,740
don't want to be embarrassed they want

1268
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,480
to make absolutely certain that what

1269
00:55:56,190 --> 00:55:54,400
they're approving is real so you can

1270
00:55:58,140 --> 00:55:56,200
understand the cautionary nature that

1271
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:58,150
they're taking good answer and boy I

1272
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:00,640
applaud the amount of time and effort

1273
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:03,730
that has gone into this what give us a

1274
00:56:09,090 --> 00:56:06,730
time frame I mean how long ago did this

1275
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:09,100
study begin

1276
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:10,810
in terms of the actual compiling of

1277
00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:12,810
scientific data having having tests done

1278
00:56:18,270 --> 00:56:15,910
how long has this team been working on

1279
00:56:20,790 --> 00:56:18,280
this well it started five years ago when

1280
00:56:23,820 --> 00:56:20,800
we submitted a sample to dr. Ketchum

1281
00:56:25,740 --> 00:56:23,830
she laughed originally and she says well

1282
00:56:27,690 --> 00:56:25,750
test it and send him again she calls me

1283
00:56:29,010 --> 00:56:27,700
two days later she says lousy if this

1284
00:56:32,610 --> 00:56:29,020
didn't react like anything I've ever

1285
00:56:35,730 --> 00:56:32,620
seen that started process where we

1286
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:35,740
continued together we probably got two

1287
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:39,070
dozen samples to her and then she said

1288
00:56:43,860 --> 00:56:40,720
you know let's really make a run at this

1289
00:56:46,260 --> 00:56:43,870
and try to to get a shotgun sampling

1290
00:56:50,670 --> 00:56:46,270
from North America and we went on a

1291
00:56:52,890 --> 00:56:50,680
large radio show and in the States and

1292
00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:52,900
both of us explained what we were doing

1293
00:56:58,550 --> 00:56:56,110
and we ended up attracting by JC sent

1294
00:57:01,050 --> 00:56:58,560
over a hundred different samples I was

1295
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:01,060
perplexed as to where I was going to

1296
00:57:05,610 --> 00:57:03,130
come up with the money to have some

1297
00:57:08,580 --> 00:57:05,620
samples tested so we put up the YouTube

1298
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:08,590
video and I got contacted by all kinds

1299
00:57:13,380 --> 00:57:10,930
of people and then eventually a catch'em

1300
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:13,390
study seemed like the the best place to

1301
00:57:18,570 --> 00:57:14,890
go because there was going to be a

1302
00:57:20,490 --> 00:57:18,580
compiling of many samples verifying each

1303
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:20,500
other and either this I thought that's

1304
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:22,930
the best way to go and I in the end was

1305
00:57:25,770 --> 00:57:24,250
the right thing to do was the right

1306
00:57:28,260 --> 00:57:25,780
place to go because anybody else would

1307
00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:28,270
have gotten to hold this DNA it would

1308
00:57:32,730 --> 00:57:31,510
have come back the my toeside human they

1309
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,740
would have once again they would have

1310
00:57:38,940 --> 00:57:34,720
said contaminated or it might have come

1311
00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:38,950
back 99% human 1% unknown you know

1312
00:57:42,660 --> 00:57:40,300
you've got all these different factors

1313
00:57:44,490 --> 00:57:42,670
coming back with these samples so to

1314
00:57:47,370 --> 00:57:44,500
have a comparative situation with all

1315
00:57:48,930 --> 00:57:47,380
these other samples in mass that all

1316
00:57:51,390 --> 00:57:48,940
match up with each other that's the

1317
00:57:54,030 --> 00:57:51,400
amazing part of it that's really the

1318
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:54,040
overkill of this study is the amount of

1319
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,810
samples in it I hope we'll see those

1320
00:57:59,580 --> 00:57:57,520
results in a few weeks in a few months

1321
00:58:01,470 --> 00:57:59,590
and then we can have you guys back or

1322
00:58:03,390 --> 00:58:01,480
maybe even have the person who performed

1323
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:03,400
the test on the show and then hopefully

1324
00:58:08,130 --> 00:58:05,770
give us some more information and answer

1325
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:08,140
everybody's questions about the worth of

1326
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:11,170
this study now let me ask you both the

1327
00:58:16,830 --> 00:58:14,410
question David and JC over the years is

1328
00:58:19,590 --> 00:58:16,840
this the first major study of possible

1329
00:58:22,140 --> 00:58:19,600
DNA evidence of a Bigfoot as far as I

1330
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:22,150
know as a compiled stone yeah

1331
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:24,609
for peer-review yup but why did it take

1332
00:58:32,839 --> 00:58:27,730
so long so it took it took dr. Ketchum

1333
00:58:35,519 --> 00:58:32,849
probably 18 months to unlock this and

1334
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:35,529
you got to understand that these tests

1335
00:58:40,410 --> 00:58:37,839
cost tens and tens of thousands of

1336
00:58:42,180 --> 00:58:40,420
dollars to perform we're way up over

1337
00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:42,190
several hundred thousand dollars in this

1338
00:58:47,299 --> 00:58:45,430
study and so one of the obstacles was

1339
00:58:50,749 --> 00:58:47,309
try to find the funding number one

1340
00:58:53,339 --> 00:58:50,759
number two to get labs to participate

1341
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:53,349
because a lot of labs don't even want

1342
00:58:56,849 --> 00:58:55,210
could be involved in something like this

1343
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,859
because they believe it's a hoax from

1344
00:59:00,660 --> 00:58:58,720
the very beginning we were able to

1345
00:59:03,329 --> 00:59:00,670
attract some of the best labs in the

1346
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:03,339
United States and a couple of university

1347
00:59:09,450 --> 00:59:06,400
labs participated as well and so when

1348
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:09,460
amongst all of this criteria this

1349
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:11,410
doesn't come together quickly this is

1350
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:14,710
this is a slow evolving process and you

1351
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:17,170
have one person who's the ringleader on

1352
00:59:21,779 --> 00:59:19,359
the science side that's dr. Ketchum I

1353
00:59:24,029 --> 00:59:21,789
had to manage her own work at the lab

1354
00:59:26,009 --> 00:59:24,039
and then do this work on the side

1355
00:59:27,779 --> 00:59:26,019
because she isn't getting compensated

1356
00:59:30,180 --> 00:59:27,789
for this she did it all on her good

1357
00:59:32,489 --> 00:59:30,190
graces other than paying for chemicals

1358
00:59:35,489 --> 00:59:32,499
and animal outside labs did it on her

1359
00:59:38,609 --> 00:59:35,499
own and because of all of this it was a

1360
00:59:42,479 --> 00:59:38,619
tremendously time-consuming ordeal Chris

1361
00:59:44,849 --> 00:59:42,489
more questions well that's it on this

1362
00:59:48,059 --> 00:59:44,859
particular subject I think maybe we

1363
00:59:50,910 --> 00:59:48,069
should move along and talk about Dave's

1364
00:59:54,779 --> 00:59:50,920
other work especially the missing 411

1365
00:59:56,940 --> 00:59:54,789
book this is a topic that I am very very

1366
00:59:59,849 --> 00:59:56,950
interested in and I think more people

1367
01:00:02,370 --> 00:59:59,859
should be made aware of this whole

1368
01:00:04,349 --> 01:00:02,380
mystery and I think this would be a good

1369
01:00:07,229 --> 01:00:04,359
good time to uh to jump into that Dave

1370
01:00:09,029 --> 01:00:07,239
and really talk about missing 411 why

1371
01:00:11,759 --> 01:00:09,039
don't you give us an overview of how you

1372
01:00:14,130 --> 01:00:11,769
first even came up with the idea of

1373
01:00:16,499 --> 01:00:14,140
looking into the thousands of people

1374
01:00:18,900 --> 01:00:16,509
that or just disappear without a trace

1375
01:00:22,049 --> 01:00:18,910
on this continent how did you first get

1376
01:00:24,269 --> 01:00:22,059
get involved in this up it so part of

1377
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:24,279
sort of the DNA process that we're

1378
01:00:28,769 --> 01:00:26,730
working on with Big Foot and is

1379
01:00:30,380 --> 01:00:28,779
traveling a lot going to different

1380
01:00:32,279 --> 01:00:30,390
locations interviewing people

1381
01:00:35,230 --> 01:00:32,289
understanding the circumstances behind

1382
01:00:36,550 --> 01:00:35,240
how they got certain evidence etc

1383
01:00:39,250 --> 01:00:36,560
I was in the National Park and I was

1384
01:00:40,810 --> 01:00:39,260
talking to a couple of employees there

1385
01:00:42,490 --> 01:00:40,820
and these were not employees of the

1386
01:00:45,550 --> 01:00:42,500
federal government these are contractors

1387
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:45,560
that work on the National Park site and

1388
01:00:50,109 --> 01:00:46,970
sometimes these are people that just

1389
01:00:53,350 --> 01:00:50,119
clean rooms sometimes they're vendors in

1390
01:00:55,060 --> 01:00:53,360
restaurants etc a lot of people don't

1391
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:55,070
understand the restaurants and national

1392
01:00:59,440 --> 01:00:56,930
parks aren't run by the government it's

1393
01:01:02,050 --> 01:00:59,450
all subcontracted out to other companies

1394
01:01:04,090 --> 01:01:02,060
and these are private individuals that

1395
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:04,100
would talk to you whereas the National

1396
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:05,810
Park Service would probably never talk

1397
01:01:10,210 --> 01:01:08,930
to you so I was there and I noticed that

1398
01:01:12,790 --> 01:01:10,220
there were a couple of National Park

1399
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:12,800
Service employees we're just kind of

1400
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:14,000
hanging around they weren't getting in

1401
01:01:17,710 --> 01:01:15,200
the way they weren't being rude they

1402
01:01:19,630 --> 01:01:17,720
were nice to like people but they showed

1403
01:01:21,970 --> 01:01:19,640
some subtle level of interest of what I

1404
01:01:24,190 --> 01:01:21,980
was doing there and at the end of the

1405
01:01:27,010 --> 01:01:24,200
night I was staying at a location off

1406
01:01:29,980 --> 01:01:27,020
the park and you get one of those knocks

1407
01:01:32,350 --> 01:01:29,990
on the door and it's kind of strange but

1408
01:01:35,830 --> 01:01:32,360
because no one knew I in take anyone

1409
01:01:38,290 --> 01:01:35,840
knew where I was and person comes to the

1410
01:01:40,450 --> 01:01:38,300
door and says hey Dave I'm so-and-so on

1411
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:40,460
the employ of the National Park Service

1412
01:01:44,170 --> 01:01:41,930
I saw you were at the park and we

1413
01:01:47,260 --> 01:01:44,180
actually know who you are and we know

1414
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:47,270
your work and you're your former police

1415
01:01:51,250 --> 01:01:49,040
officer you've done a lot of quality

1416
01:01:52,510 --> 01:01:51,260
things and we know you could trust me

1417
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:52,520
followed up with what we're going to

1418
01:01:58,420 --> 01:01:55,280
tell you Nick came in and they told me a

1419
01:02:00,280 --> 01:01:58,430
story that they'd worked at previous

1420
01:02:02,349 --> 01:02:00,290
parks and most National Park Service

1421
01:02:05,500 --> 01:02:02,359
Rangers and law enforcement officers

1422
01:02:07,660 --> 01:02:05,510
during a career average days probably

1423
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:07,670
seven to nine years at one location and

1424
01:02:11,410 --> 01:02:09,440
then they move on and so during a career

1425
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:11,420
they may see they may see three or four

1426
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:13,930
different locations and they stated that

1427
01:02:20,859 --> 01:02:16,210
previous places that they had worked at

1428
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:20,869
they had had disappearances and they

1429
01:02:25,030 --> 01:02:22,850
said on the face it doesn't seem unusual

1430
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:25,040
and there's a lot of publicity at the

1431
01:02:30,910 --> 01:02:27,290
forefront when someone disappears but

1432
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:30,920
after a short while all the information

1433
01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:33,530
stops being released now maybe we can

1434
01:02:36,910 --> 01:02:35,510
clarify this a bit more David when you

1435
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:36,920
talk about disappearances is this

1436
01:02:41,140 --> 01:02:38,810
something like someone doesn't come home

1437
01:02:42,849 --> 01:02:41,150
someone doesn't show up at work doesn't

1438
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:42,859
show up at a point and they never feel

1439
01:02:48,910 --> 01:02:44,810
from that person again this could be as

1440
01:02:51,850 --> 01:02:48,920
simple as I am going up to Yosemite

1441
01:02:53,620 --> 01:02:51,860
this weekend I'm gonna hike around I'm

1442
01:02:55,810 --> 01:02:53,630
staying in the valley and staying in a

1443
01:02:57,730 --> 01:02:55,820
place called curry camp I'm not going to

1444
01:02:59,110 --> 01:02:57,740
go out for more than you know seven or

1445
01:03:02,080 --> 01:02:59,120
eight hours on a hike and I'll be back

1446
01:03:04,330 --> 01:03:02,090
that exact story has replicated itself

1447
01:03:05,890 --> 01:03:04,340
so many times so meaning that the

1448
01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:05,900
person's not carrying a big backpack

1449
01:03:09,970 --> 01:03:07,670
with overnight sleeping supplies etc

1450
01:03:11,530 --> 01:03:09,980
each other they may just have a day pack

1451
01:03:13,030 --> 01:03:11,540
with a bottle of water and they're just

1452
01:03:15,340 --> 01:03:13,040
taking a leisurely walk up into the

1453
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:15,350
hills surrounding Yosemite and they're

1454
01:03:18,820 --> 01:03:16,850
never found they're never seen again

1455
01:03:21,220 --> 01:03:18,830
their packs never found equipments never

1456
01:03:23,860 --> 01:03:21,230
found nothing has ever found so the

1457
01:03:26,290 --> 01:03:23,870
these people lay out the storyline and

1458
01:03:29,380 --> 01:03:26,300
and they say you know there isn't any

1459
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:29,390
real follow-up to anything regarding

1460
01:03:34,810 --> 01:03:31,490
disappearing people we'll get into more

1461
01:03:36,460 --> 01:03:34,820
about missing for one one what's going

1462
01:03:38,770 --> 01:03:36,470
on here what happened to these people

1463
01:03:41,350 --> 01:03:38,780
David Politis is the guy who's been

1464
01:03:43,390 --> 01:03:41,360
doing the research we have JC Johnson

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01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:43,400
with gene and Chris you're in the para

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cast don't complain about your cable

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bill going up and up and up do something

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about it grab a pencil and jot down this

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for

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for my TV disabled the cable cut costs

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and get more call twenty seven seven

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seven eight zero for my TV on the

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average Americans work between

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forty-five to fifty years hoping to

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build up enough wealth to retire and

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live out their golden years

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unfortunately with taxation the rising

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cost of food energy housing and medical

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many retirees are forced to

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below the poverty line is this a fly

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free enterprise or is our monetary unit

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we call the Federal Reserve Note forcing

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us into perpetual debt ensuring

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questions and more can be answered by

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reading G Edward Griffin book the

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and Chris we're focusing on the new book

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about missing people in North America

1569
01:08:22,559 --> 01:08:20,080
from David Politis with Jacy Johnson

1570
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joining us too so we're trying to figure

1571
01:08:27,599 --> 01:08:25,660
out here when this becomes important now

1572
01:08:29,579 --> 01:08:27,609
I assume you know when somebody doesn't

1573
01:08:30,959 --> 01:08:29,589
show up where someone goes on a vacation

1574
01:08:33,390 --> 01:08:30,969
or something doesn't get back a

1575
01:08:36,180 --> 01:08:33,400
situation like this unless there's a

1576
01:08:37,650 --> 01:08:36,190
large immediate family or friends people

1577
01:08:39,780 --> 01:08:37,660
are just going to ignore it right

1578
01:08:40,979 --> 01:08:39,790
that wasn't the angle that this person

1579
01:08:42,510 --> 01:08:40,989
was approached you know and that was in

1580
01:08:44,729 --> 01:08:42,520
the angle we approached it on we're just

1581
01:08:46,829 --> 01:08:44,739
looking at people that reported is

1582
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:46,839
missing they could have been in camp

1583
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:48,250
with three or four other people and they

1584
01:08:52,499 --> 01:08:49,839
just didn't come back from the hike and

1585
01:08:55,140 --> 01:08:52,509
they gave us this broad swath of

1586
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:55,150
information a few locations to look at

1587
01:08:58,650 --> 01:08:57,130
they were politely said hey you need to

1588
01:09:00,360 --> 01:08:58,660
look into this because there's a story

1589
01:09:02,729 --> 01:09:00,370
here and there's a problem here and we

1590
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:02,739
don't know what it is they look into it

1591
01:09:06,599 --> 01:09:04,930
they left the next morning and driving

1592
01:09:08,190 --> 01:09:06,609
home a call a couple of former law

1593
01:09:10,349 --> 01:09:08,200
enforcement friends and I lay out what I

1594
01:09:11,970 --> 01:09:10,359
was just told and I said hey get into

1595
01:09:13,769 --> 01:09:11,980
the computer make a few phone calls find

1596
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:13,779
out if this is real and within two hours

1597
01:09:17,579 --> 01:09:15,279
we came back and said Bob there's

1598
01:09:20,190 --> 01:09:17,589
there's something here that that really

1599
01:09:22,829 --> 01:09:20,200
is a story that needs to be looked into

1600
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:22,839
so when you look at the National Park

1601
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:25,330
System in the United States in Canada

1602
01:09:31,470 --> 01:09:28,810
it's a very well organized federal group

1603
01:09:33,930 --> 01:09:31,480
they have their own police officers

1604
01:09:35,519 --> 01:09:33,940
these police officers go to the federal

1605
01:09:37,890 --> 01:09:35,529
law enforcement training center in

1606
01:09:39,750 --> 01:09:37,900
Virginia they are highly trained but

1607
01:09:42,450 --> 01:09:39,760
better trained than most police officers

1608
01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:42,460
and small cities across the u.s. they

1609
01:09:47,130 --> 01:09:44,500
get federal training they go back

1610
01:09:49,410 --> 01:09:47,140
regularly for additional training these

1611
01:09:51,870 --> 01:09:49,420
are not the guys that clean campsites

1612
01:09:52,860 --> 01:09:51,880
these are not the guys that change the

1613
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:52,870
garbage camps

1614
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:54,850
these guys are in patrol cars they have

1615
01:10:00,270 --> 01:09:56,130
a classification as a law enforcement

1616
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:00,280
officer and subsequent to that they have

1617
01:10:05,730 --> 01:10:02,890
special agents within their group that

1618
01:10:07,860 --> 01:10:05,740
do the follow-up on these cases so if

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01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:07,870
they have a strong law enforcement

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01:10:11,940 --> 01:10:09,520
contingent in the National Park System

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01:10:14,340 --> 01:10:11,950
holding that thought and with that

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01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:14,350
knowledge base we send a Freedom of

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01:10:18,900 --> 01:10:16,570
Information Act request to the National

1624
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:18,910
Park Service asking for a list of

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01:10:24,090 --> 01:10:21,760
missing people inside their system and a

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01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:24,100
list specifically of missing people from

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01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:26,650
Yosemite and you gotta understand this

1628
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:28,810
you could go on to almost any website of

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01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:31,360
any medium-sized city in North America

1630
01:10:36,180 --> 01:10:34,810
and on that Police Department website

1631
01:10:38,670 --> 01:10:36,190
they're gonna have a list of missing

1632
01:10:41,490 --> 01:10:38,680
people from that city it's just normal

1633
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:41,500
it's part of the basic law enforcement

1634
01:10:46,230 --> 01:10:43,600
training you go through you understand

1635
01:10:48,780 --> 01:10:46,240
that if somebody from city official

1636
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:48,790
walks into your department that's how

1637
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:50,110
many people that we have missing in our

1638
01:10:54,450 --> 01:10:52,570
city today the police chief will be able

1639
01:10:56,580 --> 01:10:54,460
to go to a file and within an hour show

1640
01:10:59,130 --> 01:10:56,590
you a list of missing people it's like

1641
01:11:02,250 --> 01:10:59,140
missing persons 101 to police officers

1642
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:02,260
it's very very basic all right

1643
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:04,000
clarifying here we're focusing here

1644
01:11:09,660 --> 01:11:07,360
mostly on individuals who disappeared

1645
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:09,670
within the National Park System so

1646
01:11:13,470 --> 01:11:11,890
following the Freedom of Information Act

1647
01:11:16,590 --> 01:11:13,480
request against the Park Service for

1648
01:11:18,510 --> 01:11:16,600
this information after about two months

1649
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:18,520
we get a letter back from an attorney

1650
01:11:23,610 --> 01:11:20,890
inside the National Park System not an

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01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:23,620
egg not a regular response stating that

1652
01:11:28,530 --> 01:11:26,050
they do not keep track of missing people

1653
01:11:30,690 --> 01:11:28,540
they have never kept track of missing

1654
01:11:32,970 --> 01:11:30,700
people they don't know how many people

1655
01:11:35,370 --> 01:11:32,980
are missing in their parks and if we

1656
01:11:37,470 --> 01:11:35,380
wanted a list of all the missing people

1657
01:11:39,150 --> 01:11:37,480
in the National Park System that list

1658
01:11:41,580 --> 01:11:39,160
would cost us one point four

1659
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:41,590
a million dollars for them to do their

1660
01:11:47,940 --> 01:11:43,690
research if we wanted a list from

1661
01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:47,950
Yosemite that'd be $34,000 now I want to

1662
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:50,110
explain you can keep a list of missing

1663
01:11:55,890 --> 01:11:52,960
people on a piece of graph paper on a

1664
01:11:58,170 --> 01:11:55,900
clipboard on a wall in an office where

1665
01:12:01,020 --> 01:11:58,180
somebody goes missing the date the time

1666
01:12:03,900 --> 01:12:01,030
their name it's not real tough it's not

1667
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:03,910
rocket science and as I've been

1668
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:06,400
approached by many other police officers

1669
01:12:11,310 --> 01:12:08,010
and administrators across North America

1670
01:12:14,970 --> 01:12:11,320
something is wrong there this is not

1671
01:12:17,810 --> 01:12:14,980
normal practice for them not to be

1672
01:12:21,390 --> 01:12:17,820
responsible enough and held accountable

1673
01:12:24,930 --> 01:12:21,400
for this information almost shows that

1674
01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:24,940
it was a calculated practice to not keep

1675
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:26,710
this information wouldn't it be a

1676
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:29,110
trivial matter just to record this in a

1677
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:31,090
computer have a computer database of

1678
01:12:36,090 --> 01:12:33,520
this kind of information why wouldn't

1679
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:36,100
they have it the million-dollar question

1680
01:12:40,620 --> 01:12:37,840
sounds like a cover-up to me boy I'll

1681
01:12:43,260 --> 01:12:40,630
tell you $34,000 just to come up with a

1682
01:12:45,210 --> 01:12:43,270
list of people missing from Yosemite it

1683
01:12:47,310 --> 01:12:45,220
doesn't make sense something's a little

1684
01:12:49,230 --> 01:12:47,320
downwind to Denmark on that whole deal

1685
01:12:52,110 --> 01:12:49,240
so much for the Freedom of Information

1686
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:52,120
Act sure you can get the information

1687
01:12:58,710 --> 01:12:55,330
it's gonna cost you an arm and a leg in

1688
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:58,720
to jc's point there is a segment there

1689
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:00,640
that's in the law that says that they

1690
01:13:05,190 --> 01:13:02,650
can make a reasonable charge for this

1691
01:13:07,950 --> 01:13:05,200
information except that there's also a

1692
01:13:10,980 --> 01:13:07,960
kin contingent there that if you're the

1693
01:13:13,470 --> 01:13:10,990
member of the press or you're a printed

1694
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:13,480
author they have to go into an exception

1695
01:13:18,300 --> 01:13:15,730
so I claim the author exception I had

1696
01:13:21,150 --> 01:13:18,310
two books printed by Hancock house a big

1697
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:21,160
publishing house and the attorney came

1698
01:13:25,500 --> 01:13:23,290
back and said that they won't allow that

1699
01:13:27,420 --> 01:13:25,510
exemption with me because they stated

1700
01:13:30,180 --> 01:13:27,430
that my books aren't in enough public

1701
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:30,190
libraries and trust me friends that is

1702
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:31,600
not anywhere in the Freedom of

1703
01:13:34,890 --> 01:13:33,010
Information Act where they can claim

1704
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:34,900
that so that's a new litmus test it has

1705
01:13:38,730 --> 01:13:36,910
to be a number of libraries of it's on

1706
01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:38,740
less than that number of libraries

1707
01:13:42,210 --> 01:13:40,510
doesn't count that's whack and they

1708
01:13:43,890 --> 01:13:42,220
won't tell you with it they won't tell

1709
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:43,900
you what that number of libraries is

1710
01:13:49,530 --> 01:13:47,890
either boy it's it sure did we're

1711
01:13:52,260 --> 01:13:49,540
getting closer to the fish market here

1712
01:13:52,529 --> 01:13:52,270
yeah so continue what you know what what

1713
01:13:58,319 --> 01:13:52,539
did

1714
01:14:00,779 --> 01:13:58,329
what was your next uh you know steps

1715
01:14:02,220 --> 01:14:00,789
that you had to take someone's when you

1716
01:14:04,350 --> 01:14:02,230
get a response like that

1717
01:14:07,919 --> 01:14:04,360
anyone with any level of common sense

1718
01:14:09,779 --> 01:14:07,929
knows this is a red flag and so if we

1719
01:14:12,419 --> 01:14:09,789
have to go the long distance to get the

1720
01:14:13,919 --> 01:14:12,429
information we'll do it and you somebody

1721
01:14:16,290 --> 01:14:13,929
just happened to be a couple hours from

1722
01:14:18,419 --> 01:14:16,300
where I lived in California and I said

1723
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:18,429
you know what if I have to camp out at

1724
01:14:24,180 --> 01:14:21,280
the library to go through every

1725
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:24,190
newspaper archive I have to I'm gonna do

1726
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:26,320
it and then everyone else in our group

1727
01:14:30,959 --> 01:14:28,449
said hey we'll do it - we'll do it - and

1728
01:14:33,209 --> 01:14:30,969
it slowly started to steamroll the

1729
01:14:36,509 --> 01:14:33,219
number of disappearances in Yosemite is

1730
01:14:39,569 --> 01:14:36,519
absolutely mind-boggling and we're not

1731
01:14:41,609 --> 01:14:39,579
talking about disappearances where it

1732
01:14:43,589 --> 01:14:41,619
sits and fell into a river the person

1733
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:43,599
disappeared near a body of water we

1734
01:14:49,529 --> 01:14:46,090
excluded every one of those we're

1735
01:14:51,629 --> 01:14:49,539
talking about unusual disappearances one

1736
01:14:55,529 --> 01:14:51,639
of the most unusual I wrote about was a

1737
01:14:59,580 --> 01:14:55,539
girl 15 year old named Stacy Eris Stacy

1738
01:15:01,470 --> 01:14:59,590
was with a her dad and a group as they

1739
01:15:04,350 --> 01:15:01,480
were backpacking on horseback

1740
01:15:06,810 --> 01:15:04,360
during everybody called sunrise camps up

1741
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:06,820
in the higher elevations of Yosemite and

1742
01:15:12,299 --> 01:15:09,130
they rode for a day and they're about 15

1743
01:15:14,819 --> 01:15:12,309
16 people on horseback they wrote into

1744
01:15:17,069 --> 01:15:14,829
these small cabins way up in the middle

1745
01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:17,079
of nowhere and many miles from a road

1746
01:15:21,959 --> 01:15:19,510
and they got off the horseback and Stacy

1747
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:21,969
went into the cabin and freshened up and

1748
01:15:27,810 --> 01:15:25,210
got changed and there was a 70 plus year

1749
01:15:29,850 --> 01:15:27,820
old man that was a friend and her and

1750
01:15:31,709 --> 01:15:29,860
this old man walked out to this point

1751
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:31,719
and everybody in the group saw him

1752
01:15:35,339 --> 01:15:34,090
walked to the point and she told her dad

1753
01:15:37,799 --> 01:15:35,349
that she was gonna walk out there and

1754
01:15:39,060 --> 01:15:37,809
take her camera and take pictures and

1755
01:15:40,620 --> 01:15:39,070
she walked out there with this old man

1756
01:15:43,410 --> 01:15:40,630
and the old man sat down on a rock and

1757
01:15:44,939 --> 01:15:43,420
they had a conversation and then Stacy

1758
01:15:48,689 --> 01:15:44,949
told the man she was going to walk over

1759
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:48,699
a couple of rocky Bluffs and these this

1760
01:15:53,879 --> 01:15:51,130
area if you can imagine is just covered

1761
01:15:57,060 --> 01:15:53,889
with boulders huge huge boulders of

1762
01:15:59,430 --> 01:15:57,070
granite and there's very little tree

1763
01:16:01,319 --> 01:15:59,440
coverage and down a couple hundred yards

1764
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:01,329
from where the were was a small lake

1765
01:16:05,580 --> 01:16:04,090
that had a lot of trees big trees away

1766
01:16:06,359 --> 01:16:05,590
on the lake and Stacy said she was going

1767
01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:06,369
to go down to this

1768
01:16:11,279 --> 01:16:09,249
Lake and take a few pictures now again

1769
01:16:13,009 --> 01:16:11,289
to set the scenario they wrote it on

1770
01:16:15,989 --> 01:16:13,019
horseback there in the middle of nowhere

1771
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:15,999
there's no roads nearby there's no way

1772
01:16:22,379 --> 01:16:19,329
to really take Stacey forcibly without

1773
01:16:25,589 --> 01:16:22,389
her screaming or head off or even a big

1774
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:25,599
man you cannot carry a normal-sized

1775
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,280
woman a long distance in the middle of

1776
01:16:30,779 --> 01:16:29,199
nowhere I'll tell you what your show is

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gonna go nowhere if I don't do this

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David Politis and JC Johnson joining us

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we're exploring mysterious

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disappearances on the power cast gene

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and Chris focusing on state parks

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finding what's going on so people are

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just disappearing before we get in some

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of the cases of what's involved I

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suppose we could consider here because

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it possible they're being taken away by

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animals or something so I'll explain

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there's disappearance and that will kind

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of walk into that so who is Stacey walks

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down to this lake and she disappears she

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never comes back a massive search many

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weeks probably this is back in the yes

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60s they spend hundreds of thousands of

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dollars they never found her and there

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was massive reports written about this

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case the only thing they ever found was

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they found the lens cap to her camera on

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the middle of the trail near the lake

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now we filed a Freedom of Information

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Act request to obtain the reports on the

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Stacey Eris disappearance and the

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National Park Service refuses to give it

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to us because they say it's an ongoing

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case even though nobody's looked at that

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case in 20 years and there are no

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suspects it won't give it to us

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when appeal does through Congress and we

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still can't get the case and this is the

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one case that they will not give us now

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why it's local situated a national park

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David this means and local police

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authorities just can't get on there and

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pursue an independent investigation not

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entirely true national search and rescue

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on national parks is oftentimes in

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conjunction with a County search and

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rescue team but they have to be invited

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on the property right correct

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okay but in this case here the local

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authorities are not being invited to

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pursue this no log local authorities

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were invited and they did participate in

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the search but the record-keeping is

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kept by the National Park Service so the

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local authorities have no independent

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record to access not going back - well

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it's hard to find records on missing

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people with local jurisdictions that far

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into the past when they aren't the

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investigating body though National Park

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Service had the respond

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bility of maintaining the records and

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keeping activist active all right now

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keeping the information about this

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disappearing woman secret for over 20

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years is this a typical problem here or

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is it anomalous or what it's unusual but

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we've had other cases in crater lit

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crater lake up in Oregon where we knew

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certain people disappeared during a

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specific period of time

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the National Park Service came back and

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they said that they destroyed all the

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cases during that period of time uh uh I

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said wait a minute

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I said women the person's missing it was

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a criminal case the FBI came in they did

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a search and processed the scene and you

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lost everything they said yeah we

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destroyed everything now I don't know

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about conspiracy theories and other

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conspiracy theories but before we get

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into more case histories and possible

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reasons why on earth would anyone do

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anything like this it doesn't make sense

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to me at all or I guess to anybody so to

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get to your point regarding animal

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attacks

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occurs there's gonna be a lot of hair

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there's gonna be a lot of blood there's

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gonna be a lot of screaming you're gonna

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fight your life this isn't gonna be a

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quiet take you away you're gonna

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disappear and no one's ever gonna find

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any evidence these are professional

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teams that go in there and look for

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people and they look for specifics just

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like you stated if someone attacks an

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adult or a 15 year old girl you're gonna

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fight for your life and there are a few

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animals in Yosemite that could take on

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an adult and kill them now maybe if a

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big mountain lion got the drop on ya

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possible but again it's going to be a

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big fight with a lot of blood and a

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scene that's going to be readily

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identifiable none of those scenes and

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none of those circumstances are involved

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in any of the cases and they've been

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excluded if there's any evidence of that

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in any other cases these cases stand on

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their own that's very unusual there's

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never any evidence

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anywhere just someone vanishes from the

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face of the earth almost literally well

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there's there's several cases that we

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write about where pieces of the people

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were found minut pieces of of

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individuals there's a couple of cases

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where people were found and their pants

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were taken out and their pants were

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inside not laying next to these pieces

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of them yet there was no bite marks or

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any tears in the pants

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now you say pieces are someone are we

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talking about and we're getting graphic

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here folks so don't have your dinner

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when we talk about this are we talking

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about fingers nails what we're talking

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about my new pieces of bones not I mean

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maybe fingernail sized pieces of bones

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very very small doesn't that imply an

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animal intervention here I also don't

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want to generalize about everything

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every case is different some cases they

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have found people that were dead and

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they were intact and frozen one case

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specifically I wrote about where kids

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pants were down to his knees and he died

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in Rocky Mount or in Great Smoky

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Mountain National Park along with

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several other people who have vanished

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there so there's a string of unusual

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disappearances there another time an

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individual named Bart flier died in the

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Yukon Territory was belonging from moose

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and there's been a lot of people that

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have written untruths about that story

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cos Bart was a naturalist that actually

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captured bear for the state of Montana

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and then did it for Russia for their

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country he was an absolute bear expert

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in an absolute wildlife expert he was

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out moose hunting alone next to a lake

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he vanished

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the RCMP first went into the camp and

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said they couldn't find him his friends

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went back into that camp and they found

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his pants they found a spot guava they

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found a few other things they found bear

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scat at the scene and newspaper reports

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indicated that there was human remains

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in the bear scat that is not true

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the Department of Natural Resources

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investigator that handled that case

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stated that there was no human remains

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in the scat they don't know what

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attacked and killed schleier and it in

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his 33 years working for the National

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resources he had never seen something

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more unusual in his life and he was

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amazed that I was able to find him and

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find that story doesn't that imply

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they're in a situation like that some

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kind of animal intervention though I'm

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not gonna say it's animal because the

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expert couldn't say it was animal all

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right now in a general sense there are

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people who want to disappear they have

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bills they have family problems they'd

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rather just vanish if they could find a

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way where they just go off the radar and

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maybe they're somewhere else in another

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part of the country or a different

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country and that's a deliberate action

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so in a case like this where we have

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these mysterious disappearances do you

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have a sense of how many are

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deliberately done by the person who

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wants to get away from it all if we had

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an inkling of that we threw that case

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out again we went through this with a

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fine-tooth comb how do you have an

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inkling of it though how do you have an

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inkling of something like that see if it

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was a statement from a relative or he

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didn't really want to be here you want

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to commit suicide or you know he wanted

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to drop out of a society or something

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and he wanted to move and he didn't want

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anything involved if there was if there

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was a statement like that somewhere then

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we excluded it okay 90% of the cases

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that follow that logic involve little

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tiny kids how tiny were we talking about

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one age group between two and eight oh

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well we know kids sometimes want to run

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away from their parents but their

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National Park on a visit that doesn't

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make sense to me that would be an

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indication of foul play or something

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unusual obviously you're saying

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basically Chris if there's situation

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there child abuse or something or a

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kidnapping we'd have some evidence

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certainly kidnapping because you think

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well someone's going to ask for a ransom

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there has to be some ulterior motive not

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just to take someone or I don't know you

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know these TV shows about slavery and

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all that stuff there's some pretty sick

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people out there and in the world and

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I'm sure that some of these cases

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potentially could could be some sort of

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of kidnapping for whatever sick reasons

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that people might have but I need to get

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a better sense David of the numbers that

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you've uncovered what what kind of

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numbers are we talking about here I mean

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have you been able to come up with a a

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figure let's say per year or a total

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what are we talking about here are these

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hundreds of cases thousands then again

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in the scheme of things one unexplained

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case is more than enough we'll get into

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those numbers and a lot more with Jeanne

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into believing someone's home at your

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fake TV works a bit like a light on a

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time but fake TV is far more convincing

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fake TV plugs into any outlet and

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simulates the light and colors of a real

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TV burglars will likely move on to

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easier targets and leave your house

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wondered why banks stockbrokers

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investment advisors won't talk about

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won't recognize the value of gold for

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your attire mint gold has outperformed

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paper investments yet no word about IRAs

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hello this is rosemary ellen guiley and

2214
01:35:01,060 --> 01:34:58,410
you're listening to the podcast the gold

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01:35:08,740 --> 01:35:01,070
standard a paranormal radio

2216
01:35:13,850 --> 01:35:12,020
in a previous segment Chris O'Brien asks

2217
01:35:16,370 --> 01:35:13,860
a question of David the numbers how many

2218
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:16,380
people are involved here year overall

2219
01:35:21,050 --> 01:35:18,210
whatever in these mysterious

2220
01:35:24,710 --> 01:35:21,060
disappearances David so when we

2221
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:24,720
documented over 400 but one of the one

2222
01:35:28,550 --> 01:35:27,210
of the issues on this and somebody

2223
01:35:30,500 --> 01:35:28,560
brought it up to me at an email the

2224
01:35:33,470 --> 01:35:30,510
other day and it was various student

2225
01:35:36,620 --> 01:35:33,480
them is that if if somebody was

2226
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:36,630
abducting people in a short period of

2227
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:39,450
time in a single location it would raise

2228
01:35:45,050 --> 01:35:42,570
a red flag but if somebody was

2229
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:45,060
methodically picking indiscriminate

2230
01:35:52,700 --> 01:35:48,570
locations over an extended period of

2231
01:35:55,340 --> 01:35:52,710
time but say today we abduct one from

2232
01:35:58,370 --> 01:35:55,350
Yosemite and tomorrow we abduct one from

2233
01:36:01,100 --> 01:35:58,380
a rural location in Montana and then

2234
01:36:04,580 --> 01:36:01,110
five days later from Oklahoma I don't

2235
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:04,590
really raise a red flag and if you look

2236
01:36:10,610 --> 01:36:07,130
at this and you and you read the

2237
01:36:12,620 --> 01:36:10,620
circumstances that follow this you're

2238
01:36:14,930 --> 01:36:12,630
going to see that there is parallels to

2239
01:36:17,180 --> 01:36:14,940
each one of these one of the things that

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01:36:19,070 --> 01:36:17,190
we talk about in the book is that many

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01:36:21,950 --> 01:36:19,080
many times when somebody disappears

2242
01:36:24,380 --> 01:36:21,960
either right before or just as the

2243
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:24,390
search is starting bad weather hits the

2244
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:28,170
area in that that's that that occurs

2245
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:30,690
more times than not I'm talking about

2246
01:36:37,610 --> 01:36:34,770
rain snow when he'll just it destroys

2247
01:36:39,470 --> 01:36:37,620
evidence it makes the tracking almost

2248
01:36:42,430 --> 01:36:39,480
impossible for the people of the waters

2249
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:42,440
and the creeks and the rivers rise it

2250
01:36:47,900 --> 01:36:45,410
another thing that comes up regularly

2251
01:36:49,550 --> 01:36:47,910
let's say a kid runs away from their

2252
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:49,560
parents because they're upset at them in

2253
01:36:54,830 --> 01:36:51,840
a national park well you know the kids

2254
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:54,840
lost they bring in canines the canines

2255
01:36:57,680 --> 01:36:56,400
brought to the parents the parents do

2256
01:36:59,870 --> 01:36:57,690
have a piece of clothing that's been

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01:37:01,850 --> 01:36:59,880
worn by the kids at the canine canine

2258
01:37:03,110 --> 01:37:01,860
runs off finds a kid within 20 minutes

2259
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:03,120
that's the way it should happen more

2260
01:37:08,780 --> 01:37:06,170
times than not not in these cases

2261
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:08,790
sometimes the canine will lay down and

2262
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:11,610
won't even want to track other times the

2263
01:37:16,730 --> 01:37:13,530
canine walks in circles as though it's

2264
01:37:18,740 --> 01:37:16,740
confused in no time in any of these

2265
01:37:20,930 --> 01:37:18,750
cases does a canine go and find the

2266
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:20,940
person well that's the most curious

2267
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:21,840
thing of all

2268
01:37:27,770 --> 01:37:25,890
that a dog can be fooled into not being

2269
01:37:30,430 --> 01:37:27,780
able to find anything or acting

2270
01:37:33,020 --> 01:37:30,440
frightened that's correct

2271
01:37:34,700 --> 01:37:33,030
I'd like to bring something this time to

2272
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:34,710
that's going to come up later here you

2273
01:37:39,950 --> 01:37:37,530
were in a situation where people have

2274
01:37:42,230 --> 01:37:39,960
pointed the finger at Bigfoot or

2275
01:37:45,950 --> 01:37:42,240
pedophiles or mass murderers or

2276
01:37:47,420 --> 01:37:45,960
kidnappers in the National Forest and I

2277
01:37:50,750 --> 01:37:47,430
would just like to bring up a couple of

2278
01:37:54,230 --> 01:37:50,760
stories from eyewitnesses that I have

2279
01:37:55,670 --> 01:37:54,240
and we've got a family up on the Lucca

2280
01:37:57,980 --> 01:37:55,680
choukai Mountains one of my research

2281
01:38:00,860 --> 01:37:57,990
areas and they hurt sheep and cattle up

2282
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:00,870
there and they were building a road on

2283
01:38:04,670 --> 01:38:03,090
this old uranium Road where the mines

2284
01:38:06,170 --> 01:38:04,680
used to be up there and they're trying

2285
01:38:08,060 --> 01:38:06,180
to get back to get some firewood and

2286
01:38:10,010 --> 01:38:08,070
more easy access to some of the cattle

2287
01:38:11,690 --> 01:38:10,020
that are pushing down and I talked with

2288
01:38:13,550 --> 01:38:11,700
him for some time and there was some

2289
01:38:16,250 --> 01:38:13,560
little kids there and the adults and the

2290
01:38:17,900 --> 01:38:16,260
the uncle and one little kid started

2291
01:38:20,930 --> 01:38:17,910
crying and he said something to her in

2292
01:38:22,340 --> 01:38:20,940
Navajo that I recognized and I said

2293
01:38:24,370 --> 01:38:22,350
you're telling her not to cry because

2294
01:38:26,780 --> 01:38:24,380
like the boogeyman is gonna get her

2295
01:38:28,580 --> 01:38:26,790
because essentially yeah that's what I

2296
01:38:30,740 --> 01:38:28,590
just told her as well

2297
01:38:32,420 --> 01:38:30,750
that's kind of scary he said well just a

2298
01:38:35,090 --> 01:38:32,430
few weeks ago a little girl was out

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01:38:37,010 --> 01:38:35,100
pinyon picking with her family and she

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01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:37,020
was crying and having fits she was three

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01:38:41,210 --> 01:38:39,210
years old and she was not having a good

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01:38:43,940 --> 01:38:41,220
day out in the sunshine with the family

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01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:43,950
and they said the same thing to her and

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01:38:49,220 --> 01:38:46,260
a few minutes later she's gone

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01:38:51,860 --> 01:38:49,230
completely gone they can't find any

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01:38:54,050 --> 01:38:51,870
footprints anything to indicate where

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01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:54,060
she went and they went out instead of

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01:38:57,650 --> 01:38:55,410
waiting for law enforcement which would

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01:38:59,570 --> 01:38:57,660
take several hours to get there they had

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01:39:01,160 --> 01:38:59,580
some people cutting wood locally they

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01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:01,170
had some other people pushing sheep and

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01:39:04,430 --> 01:39:02,970
cattle and they wasn't told him this

2313
01:39:07,130 --> 01:39:04,440
little girl was missing and they just

2314
01:39:09,140 --> 01:39:07,140
took off looking for and eventually they

2315
01:39:13,670 --> 01:39:09,150
found her and she was about three miles

2316
01:39:16,100 --> 01:39:13,680
away up in a cave type area up in some

2317
01:39:18,530 --> 01:39:16,110
cliffs of a rock with an overhang crying

2318
01:39:20,270 --> 01:39:18,540
her eyes out then when they found her

2319
01:39:23,110 --> 01:39:20,280
but the interesting thing she would have

2320
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:23,120
had to cross over a couple of creeks and

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01:39:27,890 --> 01:39:26,370
some really steep mountainous areas to

2322
01:39:32,090 --> 01:39:27,900
get into this area and then climb up

2323
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:32,100
into this rocky Cavey overhang you know

2324
01:39:36,660 --> 01:39:34,239
they found that unusual

2325
01:39:38,370 --> 01:39:36,670
and being the limited speech of a

2326
01:39:40,530 --> 01:39:38,380
three-year-old II the only thing she

2327
01:39:43,979 --> 01:39:40,540
could tell him is the bear man took her

2328
01:39:45,630 --> 01:39:43,989
I mean do you have any theories about

2329
01:39:47,610 --> 01:39:45,640
what we're dealing with here these these

2330
01:39:50,340 --> 01:39:47,620
inexplicable disappearance is that

2331
01:39:54,590 --> 01:39:50,350
especially when tracking dogs won't

2332
01:39:58,920 --> 01:39:54,600
participate or act in an abnormal manner

2333
01:40:00,209 --> 01:39:58,930
you know I try actually trained dogs for

2334
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:00,219
a Doberman kennel when I was in high

2335
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:03,250
school and I know a little bit about how

2336
01:40:09,870 --> 01:40:05,770
well these animals are able to trap I

2337
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:09,880
think the record is is 80 miles of

2338
01:40:14,420 --> 01:40:12,130
tracking someone actually in a car a

2339
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:14,430
bloodhound was able to follow 80 miles

2340
01:40:19,650 --> 01:40:17,770
the scent of a particular individual

2341
01:40:22,050 --> 01:40:19,660
that was a person of interest that they

2342
01:40:23,820 --> 01:40:22,060
were tracking dogs are have very good

2343
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:23,830
noses and they're able to pick up parts

2344
01:40:29,220 --> 01:40:27,040
per trillion in the environment what is

2345
01:40:30,690 --> 01:40:29,230
your feeling about this well what do you

2346
01:40:32,550 --> 01:40:30,700
think we're dealing with you I'm sure

2347
01:40:34,890 --> 01:40:32,560
you there's no one-size-fits-all answer

2348
01:40:36,510 --> 01:40:34,900
but but give us your thinking here so

2349
01:40:39,330 --> 01:40:36,520
one of the one of the things that we

2350
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:39,340
decided early on in this project is that

2351
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:42,010
there are so many kids very young that

2352
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:44,880
have disappeared that if we start to

2353
01:40:50,940 --> 01:40:47,890
propose a hypothesis on what's happening

2354
01:40:54,290 --> 01:40:50,950
here the hypothesis becomes the story

2355
01:40:57,900 --> 01:40:54,300
and the and the kids become an asterisk

2356
01:40:59,340 --> 01:40:57,910
the reality of it is is that we want the

2357
01:41:01,080 --> 01:40:59,350
stories of these people that have

2358
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:01,090
disappeared that have just been lost

2359
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:03,610
that aren't being told that get no

2360
01:41:08,580 --> 01:41:06,130
publicity in no media you want those to

2361
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:08,590
be out there what I think is really

2362
01:41:15,209 --> 01:41:12,489
irrelevant and why I say that is that

2363
01:41:17,550 --> 01:41:15,219
since the books have become widely

2364
01:41:19,950 --> 01:41:17,560
available I've gotten thousands of

2365
01:41:23,850 --> 01:41:19,960
emails and I can tell you that I've

2366
01:41:26,780 --> 01:41:23,860
heard 10 different hypothesis that each

2367
01:41:29,390 --> 01:41:26,790
one of them were probably 10 pages long

2368
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:29,400
that were extremely well thought out

2369
01:41:35,070 --> 01:41:33,130
that were I think that are somewhat

2370
01:41:36,810 --> 01:41:35,080
viable on their face because I've heard

2371
01:41:40,770 --> 01:41:36,820
all of these before eventually but never

2372
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:40,780
posed like that and so I think exactly

2373
01:41:46,740 --> 01:41:43,570
what whatever I think probably I'm wrong

2374
01:41:48,030 --> 01:41:46,750
but the truth is is that it's not a

2375
01:41:50,060 --> 01:41:48,040
standard cookie cutter

2376
01:41:51,870 --> 01:41:50,070
disappearance there's something unusual

2377
01:41:54,570 --> 01:41:51,880
is happening

2378
01:41:57,450 --> 01:41:54,580
coupled with the amount of reports that

2379
01:42:00,810 --> 01:41:57,460
have been lost that the refusal to

2380
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:00,820
supply data I mean if you have some

2381
01:42:04,470 --> 01:42:02,890
level of common sense you can see that

2382
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:04,480
this isn't normal

2383
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:07,600
I think the government the US government

2384
01:42:13,710 --> 01:42:10,810
is hiding I mean this should not be an

2385
01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:13,720
issue that this type of information

2386
01:42:18,810 --> 01:42:16,450
should be transparent and easily

2387
01:42:21,150 --> 01:42:18,820
available from someone like yourself

2388
01:42:23,970 --> 01:42:21,160
who's a published author and a X law

2389
01:42:26,100 --> 01:42:23,980
enforcement official what do you think

2390
01:42:29,340 --> 01:42:26,110
the government's hiding just numbers or

2391
01:42:32,850 --> 01:42:29,350
you know just sheer sheer volume of

2392
01:42:34,140 --> 01:42:32,860
potential disappearance cases or what do

2393
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:34,150
you think's going on there that's a

2394
01:42:38,340 --> 01:42:36,730
that's very unusual I had no idea that

2395
01:42:40,530 --> 01:42:38,350
it was so difficult to get this type of

2396
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:40,540
information from the Department of

2397
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:43,210
Interior so very close friend of mine is

2398
01:42:47,550 --> 01:42:45,010
the head of a major major law

2399
01:42:49,020 --> 01:42:47,560
enforcement group in the US and he read

2400
01:42:51,410 --> 01:42:49,030
the books and he's talked to me for

2401
01:42:53,310 --> 01:42:51,420
hours about this and he said Dave

2402
01:42:55,710 --> 01:42:53,320
something one thing that could be

2403
01:42:59,760 --> 01:42:55,720
happening here the government can't

2404
01:43:01,470 --> 01:42:59,770
control they can't respond and they

2405
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:01,480
can't kill whatever is doing this

2406
01:43:07,860 --> 01:43:04,330
because if it was anything else they

2407
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:07,870
would go in and they were doing and in

2408
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:11,280
the book there's two instances in the

2409
01:43:16,650 --> 01:43:14,530
1960s a small boys had disappeared from

2410
01:43:18,630 --> 01:43:16,660
national parks one boy was in Dennis

2411
01:43:20,670 --> 01:43:18,640
Martin Great Smoky Mountain National

2412
01:43:24,510 --> 01:43:20,680
Park he disappeared one he was with his

2413
01:43:27,810 --> 01:43:24,520
dad his grandfather and his brother in a

2414
01:43:30,570 --> 01:43:27,820
field dispense field and another boy in

2415
01:43:32,810 --> 01:43:30,580
Douglas leg who disappeared in the

2416
01:43:35,610 --> 01:43:32,820
Adirondacks in northern New York

2417
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:35,620
both these boys were in family settings

2418
01:43:43,950 --> 01:43:40,210
just vanished quickly and giant giant

2419
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:43,960
searches were started and in both of

2420
01:43:50,190 --> 01:43:46,480
these instances the Green Beret showed

2421
01:43:51,930 --> 01:43:50,200
up now in the 1960s the National Park

2422
01:43:54,780 --> 01:43:51,940
Service law enforcement people were not

2423
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:54,790
armed Green Berets showed up in

2424
01:43:59,670 --> 01:43:57,280
helicopters they landed in a field they

2425
01:44:01,770 --> 01:43:59,680
set up their own communication system

2426
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:01,780
they didn't search with Nash

2427
01:44:06,990 --> 01:44:05,440
part people they were armed and they

2428
01:44:08,700 --> 01:44:07,000
never told anybody what their mission

2429
01:44:11,490 --> 01:44:08,710
was the assumption was that they were

2430
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:11,500
they were looking for Dennis Martin and

2431
01:44:17,730 --> 01:44:14,410
the same exact thing happened with

2432
01:44:20,010 --> 01:44:17,740
Douglas leg in northern New York now

2433
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:20,020
since his book they've been out you know

2434
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:22,210
I've got a I've got to believe that the

2435
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:24,130
Green Beret were somehow searching for

2436
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:25,600
Dennis or Douglas

2437
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:27,370
well since the books have been out I've

2438
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:28,480
been contacted by three different

2439
01:44:34,020 --> 01:44:31,090
families of Green Berets and the Green

2440
01:44:35,700 --> 01:44:34,030
Berets signed an oath of secrecy to join

2441
01:44:37,110 --> 01:44:35,710
Special Forces so they'll never talk

2442
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about what their mission or the mission

2443
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statement was but the families of these

2444
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people who talk to them regularly their

2445
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families talk and three different times

2446
01:44:52,890 --> 01:44:49,930
I got responses only saying a very short

2447
01:44:55,410 --> 01:44:52,900
statement being Green Berets do not

2448
01:44:56,850 --> 01:44:55,420
search for missing kids we filed the

2449
01:45:00,060 --> 01:44:56,860
Freedom of Information Act request

2450
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against the army asking for all the

2451
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orders and all the paperwork associated

2452
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with the search that the Green Berets

2453
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did and not only did we get refused

2454
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they'd wouldn't even respond or

2455
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acknowledge that three separate times we

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this coverage why won't they give you

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that information why is it being kept a

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here's Jane Steinberg with Jean and

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Kristen the power to cast we have JC

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Johnson David Politis I'm talking about

2508
01:48:13,530 --> 01:48:10,719
the strange disappearances people in

2509
01:48:15,540 --> 01:48:13,540
national parks we were discussing this

2510
01:48:17,790 --> 01:48:15,550
at the end of our last segment David

2511
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:17,800
that they're keeping all this

2512
01:48:21,900 --> 01:48:20,080
information a secret we can't get

2513
01:48:23,729 --> 01:48:21,910
information on Green Berets what they've

2514
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:23,739
done you know looking at all the

2515
01:48:27,990 --> 01:48:25,810
conspiracy theories do they just not

2516
01:48:29,610 --> 01:48:28,000
want to admit people disappear national

2517
01:48:31,709 --> 01:48:29,620
parks isn't a matter of being

2518
01:48:34,650 --> 01:48:31,719
politically correct it's a safe place or

2519
01:48:37,050 --> 01:48:34,660
what I had a discussion with the head of

2520
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:37,060
the law enforcement group for the

2521
01:48:42,959 --> 01:48:39,370
National Park Service and initially they

2522
01:48:45,780 --> 01:48:42,969
stated that they couldn't afford to keep

2523
01:48:47,700 --> 01:48:45,790
track of missing people and he didn't

2524
01:48:49,470 --> 01:48:47,710
know who he was talking to or he wasn't

2525
01:48:51,419 --> 01:48:49,480
well prepared I have no idea but I

2526
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:51,429
wondered and I said don't be ridiculous

2527
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:53,530
you have a hundred and eighty nine

2528
01:48:58,560 --> 01:48:56,410
locations under your guidance you could

2529
01:49:00,419 --> 01:48:58,570
go out and spend $2 for a clipboard and

2530
01:49:02,130 --> 01:49:00,429
some draft paper and you can keep track

2531
01:49:05,240 --> 01:49:02,140
of every missing person in every system

2532
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:05,250
for the next five years this isn't a

2533
01:49:09,900 --> 01:49:07,810
laptop computer in an Excel spreadsheet

2534
01:49:12,419 --> 01:49:09,910
you could do this with no problem this

2535
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:12,429
isn't rocket science you didn't say

2536
01:49:17,250 --> 01:49:15,130
anything I said well why are you why are

2537
01:49:18,750 --> 01:49:17,260
you buying to charge me thirty four

2538
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:18,760
thousand dollars for something you

2539
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:21,130
should be doing as a group he didn't

2540
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:23,290
answer he said that at some point they

2541
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:25,360
were going to get some big intertwined

2542
01:49:29,100 --> 01:49:27,010
computer network and then they'd be able

2543
01:49:30,900 --> 01:49:29,110
to do this but right now they couldn't

2544
01:49:32,910 --> 01:49:30,910
do it but didn't answer the question why

2545
01:49:34,770 --> 01:49:32,920
it hasn't been done and why every other

2546
01:49:36,330 --> 01:49:34,780
police department sheriff's office in

2547
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:36,340
North America keeps track of this

2548
01:49:42,270 --> 01:49:38,530
information but they don't this brings

2549
01:49:45,209 --> 01:49:42,280
up the question of disappearing people

2550
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:45,219
in general I forget where I read this

2551
01:49:51,180 --> 01:49:46,960
and I've seen it in a couple of

2552
01:49:53,310 --> 01:49:51,190
different books or articles about a

2553
01:49:55,110 --> 01:49:53,320
spate of disappearances in Westchester

2554
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:55,120
County over a short period of time I

2555
01:49:58,240 --> 01:49:56,410
think it was two or three years over

2556
01:50:01,270 --> 01:49:58,250
5,000 people

2557
01:50:04,150 --> 01:50:01,280
disappeared now obviously some of these

2558
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:04,160
are custody battles kids running away

2559
01:50:08,620 --> 01:50:05,570
that sort of thing you have to throw out

2560
01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:08,630
you know obviously a sizable percentage

2561
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:10,880
of cases but it still leaves hundreds of

2562
01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:13,970
people that mostly mostly younger people

2563
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:17,330
that disappeared without a trace now you

2564
01:50:22,780 --> 01:50:20,810
would think in a federally controlled

2565
01:50:24,070 --> 01:50:22,790
place like a National Forest or a

2566
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:24,080
national park that there would be

2567
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:27,290
accurate record-keeping and transparency

2568
01:50:32,260 --> 01:50:28,970
when it comes to this type of

2569
01:50:35,260 --> 01:50:32,270
information so what I'm kind of getting

2570
01:50:37,090 --> 01:50:35,270
from this conversation Dave is that

2571
01:50:39,370 --> 01:50:37,100
there is something going on that the

2572
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:39,380
government is aware of that they are in

2573
01:50:47,590 --> 01:50:44,080
a lockdown mode if you will in terms of

2574
01:50:50,980 --> 01:50:47,600
transparency they are trying to keep

2575
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:50,990
people like yourself at arm's length so

2576
01:50:58,660 --> 01:50:55,210
as not to divulge numbers and tactics

2577
01:51:00,850 --> 01:50:58,670
response procedures and the types of

2578
01:51:03,130 --> 01:51:00,860
things that that you would normally

2579
01:51:06,730 --> 01:51:03,140
expect that would go into into these

2580
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:06,740
cases how many of these cases occur do

2581
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:09,290
you think that do not make the media

2582
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:12,080
that that do not generate some sort of

2583
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:15,410
local that say media coverage or that

2584
01:51:20,020 --> 01:51:17,690
sort of thing people that are possibly

2585
01:51:23,140 --> 01:51:20,030
out there on their own loners for

2586
01:51:25,420 --> 01:51:23,150
instance cars that show up in national

2587
01:51:27,940 --> 01:51:25,430
parks and the owners are never seen

2588
01:51:29,830 --> 01:51:27,950
again and nobody knows why they're there

2589
01:51:32,530 --> 01:51:29,840
or you know what they were doing while

2590
01:51:34,300 --> 01:51:32,540
they were there no remains are found no

2591
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:34,310
evidence is found I mean how many cases

2592
01:51:39,340 --> 01:51:37,130
like that that that don't involve family

2593
01:51:41,950 --> 01:51:39,350
members turning around and their little

2594
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:41,960
you know Betsy is gone let's say that's

2595
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:44,210
a great question and unless the case has

2596
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:46,130
some media visibility you and I would

2597
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:49,130
never even know about it and I think as

2598
01:51:53,530 --> 01:51:51,440
long as there's relatives out there the

2599
01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:53,540
case does get that visibility for the

2600
01:52:01,390 --> 01:51:56,930
first week to two now as an example of

2601
01:52:05,530 --> 01:52:01,400
how complex these issues can get in the

2602
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:05,540
late 1950s a 24 year old student from

2603
01:52:09,850 --> 01:52:07,040
the University of California Berkeley a

2604
01:52:11,979 --> 01:52:09,860
grad student went to Yosemite with his

2605
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:11,989
family for a weekend

2606
01:52:16,479 --> 01:52:14,330
and they were staying in in a populated

2607
01:52:17,979 --> 01:52:16,489
area down in the valley and he what he

2608
01:52:20,260 --> 01:52:17,989
stated he was going to go for a day walk

2609
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:20,270
a hike up into the mountains around the

2610
01:52:25,870 --> 01:52:23,210
around the valley there's missins of

2611
01:52:29,590 --> 01:52:25,880
these hikes around very well maintained

2612
01:52:31,930 --> 01:52:29,600
trails very well identifiable he goes

2613
01:52:34,390 --> 01:52:31,940
off he disappears so on the face you

2614
01:52:37,090 --> 01:52:34,400
know it can happen but you know in the

2615
01:52:40,300 --> 01:52:37,100
1950s it wasn't a lot of visibility so

2616
01:52:42,190 --> 01:52:40,310
four months later another University of

2617
01:52:44,260 --> 01:52:42,200
California graduate student who didn't

2618
01:52:46,030 --> 01:52:44,270
know this other man was with his family

2619
01:52:49,420 --> 01:52:46,040
goes for a hike in Yosemite and

2620
01:52:51,540 --> 01:52:49,430
disappears it took the families about

2621
01:52:53,380 --> 01:52:51,550
five months to find each other and

2622
01:52:56,350 --> 01:52:53,390
understand that there was this close

2623
01:52:58,630 --> 01:52:56,360
proximity and time both were Cal grad

2624
01:53:00,910 --> 01:52:58,640
students both disappeared in Yosemite

2625
01:53:02,890 --> 01:53:00,920
both were with family members both were

2626
01:53:03,660 --> 01:53:02,900
staying in the valley and both were

2627
01:53:06,910 --> 01:53:03,670
never found

2628
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:06,920
the families got together and they

2629
01:53:11,770 --> 01:53:09,410
mounted a huge search that lasted for

2630
01:53:14,110 --> 01:53:11,780
months they wrote a letter at the time

2631
01:53:16,150 --> 01:53:14,120
to President Eisenhower and they both

2632
01:53:19,930 --> 01:53:16,160
stated that they felt that their sons

2633
01:53:23,229 --> 01:53:19,940
were abducted and they asked Eisenhower

2634
01:53:26,729 --> 01:53:23,239
to send special forces into the park to

2635
01:53:29,770 --> 01:53:26,739
look for their boys Eisenhower refused

2636
01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:29,780
he had a subordinate acknowledged the

2637
01:53:35,740 --> 01:53:32,480
letters and that was it and he would

2638
01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:35,750
ever found but you'd never hear about

2639
01:53:41,590 --> 01:53:38,480
this and once somebody got into the

2640
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:41,600
minutiae of the data and it's probably a

2641
01:53:47,380 --> 01:53:43,370
story of somebody doesn't want to get

2642
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:47,390
out and this is just an example of the

2643
01:53:52,979 --> 01:53:51,050
strange and odd coincidences that occur

2644
01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:52,989
in the disappearances that I write about

2645
01:53:58,209 --> 01:53:55,730
now a lot of people could say that's you

2646
01:54:00,370 --> 01:53:58,219
guys happened to be from you see two

2647
01:54:02,350 --> 01:54:00,380
guys just happened to be in Yosemite two

2648
01:54:04,209 --> 01:54:02,360
guys just happened to disappear but

2649
01:54:06,580 --> 01:54:04,219
ironically both families think that they

2650
01:54:10,090 --> 01:54:06,590
were abducted and both families asked

2651
01:54:12,670 --> 01:54:10,100
for special forces it's pretty ironic in

2652
01:54:15,700 --> 01:54:12,680
speaking of abductions we have a current

2653
01:54:19,180 --> 01:54:15,710
ongoing situation here about an hour

2654
01:54:22,150 --> 01:54:19,190
away from me a 13 year old boy is

2655
01:54:24,370 --> 01:54:22,160
missing in Colorado the father reported

2656
01:54:24,689 --> 01:54:24,380
him missing on the 19th they've brought

2657
01:54:30,540 --> 01:54:24,699
in

2658
01:54:32,339 --> 01:54:30,550
yeah this isn't a fairly remote area up

2659
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:32,349
in the La Plata mountains in La Plata

2660
01:54:36,660 --> 01:54:35,170
County with a lot of activity there as

2661
01:54:39,029 --> 01:54:36,670
far as the strange bizarre in the

2662
01:54:41,189 --> 01:54:39,039
unusual David and I have been trading

2663
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:41,199
back and forth information on this and

2664
01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:43,570
they've lately brought in the FBI so

2665
01:54:49,229 --> 01:54:46,170
they are treating it as an abduction

2666
01:54:50,699 --> 01:54:49,239
situation and what David brought up he

2667
01:54:52,919 --> 01:54:50,709
said it this might be the unfortunate

2668
01:54:55,290 --> 01:54:52,929
ending of this whole story but they'll

2669
01:54:57,060 --> 01:54:55,300
probably find him within two miles of

2670
01:55:00,209 --> 01:54:57,070
where he disappeared he'll be in a

2671
01:55:03,449 --> 01:55:00,219
ravine inside some type of water runoff

2672
01:55:06,569 --> 01:55:03,459
or he'll be up on top of a very high

2673
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:06,579
place near where he was abducted you

2674
01:55:12,660 --> 01:55:08,170
know and that that might be the case in

2675
01:55:14,729 --> 01:55:12,670
the situation now just wanted to cover a

2676
01:55:17,250 --> 01:55:14,739
few bases here in terms of these

2677
01:55:19,319 --> 01:55:17,260
mysterious disappearances now allegedly

2678
01:55:21,779 --> 01:55:19,329
if you watch these TV shows of course

2679
01:55:24,509 --> 01:55:21,789
there's a show called Criminal Minds on

2680
01:55:26,879 --> 01:55:24,519
CBS and focuses on I guess what are

2681
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:26,889
called mass or serial killers that there

2682
01:55:30,870 --> 01:55:28,530
could be several hundred individuals

2683
01:55:34,199 --> 01:55:30,880
around the United States not counting

2684
01:55:36,089 --> 01:55:34,209
the entire world who kill multiple

2685
01:55:40,859 --> 01:55:36,099
people at multiple times serial killers

2686
01:55:43,739 --> 01:55:40,869
so at any time can we consider regular

2687
01:55:46,290 --> 01:55:43,749
human criminals as bizarre as they may

2688
01:55:49,580 --> 01:55:46,300
be as being responsible for any number

2689
01:55:53,609 --> 01:55:49,590
of these cases I think that is extremely

2690
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:53,619
extremely extremely unlikely and as a

2691
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group of law enforcement retirees that

2692
01:56:00,689 --> 01:55:59,349
have looked at all of these cases our

2693
01:56:07,169 --> 01:56:00,699
gut tells us that would be almost

2694
01:56:10,009 --> 01:56:07,179
impossible again to force an adult to go

2695
01:56:12,689 --> 01:56:10,019
with someone at the middle of the woods

2696
01:56:14,370 --> 01:56:12,699
especially especially in say a national

2697
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forest where a lot of people are armed

2698
01:56:19,410 --> 01:56:16,479
and what I am and myself and Jesse are

2699
01:56:22,529 --> 01:56:19,420
probably always armed you're risking

2700
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:22,539
your risking death by walking up to me

2701
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:24,010
and trying to get me to walk with you

2702
01:56:29,069 --> 01:56:27,610
anywhere right but you're a rarity but

2703
01:56:30,660 --> 01:56:29,079
there's a lot of hundreds that we write

2704
01:56:33,689 --> 01:56:30,670
about that have disappeared under very

2705
01:56:38,970 --> 01:56:33,699
strange circumstances - and they're all

2706
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:38,980
armed so I think that and the paradigm

2707
01:56:44,490 --> 01:56:41,770
these the kids that disappear are

2708
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disappear almost under the nose of the

2709
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parents it's not like you let a 21 month

2710
01:56:54,570 --> 01:56:50,620
old walk two miles away from you I mean

2711
01:56:57,420 --> 01:56:54,580
the kids are very very close there's a

2712
01:56:59,640 --> 01:56:57,430
story about a boy named Alfred bill

2713
01:57:02,420 --> 01:56:59,650
Hart's that disappeared in Rocky

2714
01:57:05,130 --> 01:57:02,430
Mountain National Park in the late 1930s

2715
01:57:08,550 --> 01:57:05,140
he was literally walking behind his

2716
01:57:11,070 --> 01:57:08,560
parents up a river next to a river park

2717
01:57:12,780 --> 01:57:11,080
service thought as most dude that the

2718
01:57:14,430 --> 01:57:12,790
boy fell on the river parents said no he

2719
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didn't go on the river we didn't heat

2720
01:57:18,270 --> 01:57:15,640
there's no way we weren't close enough

2721
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to the river they blockade the river

2722
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with the assistance of a fishing game

2723
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and they searched it for a week no he

2724
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wasn't in the river okay let's continue

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in a second we gotta do the break we're

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focusing on one particular case history

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here but we've got more with Gene and

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2833
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:05,189
author of this new book for one one it

2834
02:02:09,199 --> 02:02:07,050
was focusing on one case history

2835
02:02:10,549 --> 02:02:09,209
involving a child

2836
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:10,559
so again Rocky Mountain National Park

2837
02:02:13,969 --> 02:02:12,090
parents walking up a river boy

2838
02:02:16,219 --> 02:02:13,979
disappears essentially right behind them

2839
02:02:18,020 --> 02:02:16,229
they call the Park Service began the the

2840
02:02:21,080 --> 02:02:18,030
creek the river search for a week

2841
02:02:23,390 --> 02:02:21,090
nothing as this is going on there's a

2842
02:02:26,929 --> 02:02:23,400
couple a husband and a wife that are

2843
02:02:29,359 --> 02:02:26,939
2,500 feet further up an adjacent Valley

2844
02:02:32,239 --> 02:02:29,369
camping and they're sitting on a rock

2845
02:02:34,580 --> 02:02:32,249
and they hear something 200 feet above

2846
02:02:36,169 --> 02:02:34,590
them 300 feet above them and they were

2847
02:02:38,390 --> 02:02:36,179
looking at it with binoculars and

2848
02:02:40,819 --> 02:02:38,400
they're dumbfounded because it's a

2849
02:02:43,699 --> 02:02:40,829
little boy sitting on the edge of this

2850
02:02:46,580 --> 02:02:43,709
rock on the precipitous of a cliff and

2851
02:02:49,429 --> 02:02:46,590
then the boy appears to get jerked back

2852
02:02:50,959 --> 02:02:49,439
or pulled back into this risky area well

2853
02:02:52,040 --> 02:02:50,969
they don't know anybody's abducted they

2854
02:02:53,270 --> 02:02:52,050
don't know anything's going on they've

2855
02:02:55,370 --> 02:02:53,280
been up there for a week they walked

2856
02:02:58,100 --> 02:02:55,380
down and there's chaos down in the

2857
02:02:59,989 --> 02:02:58,110
valley so they they drive home they

2858
02:03:01,459 --> 02:02:59,999
still don't dig they're tired they read

2859
02:03:03,709 --> 02:03:01,469
the next day in the morning paper that

2860
02:03:05,989 --> 02:03:03,719
this boy disappeared and blah blah blah

2861
02:03:08,270 --> 02:03:05,999
and they think wow could we have seen

2862
02:03:09,919 --> 02:03:08,280
something that relates to this so they

2863
02:03:12,319 --> 02:03:09,929
drive back to the park and they look at

2864
02:03:14,479 --> 02:03:12,329
the picture and they identified this boy

2865
02:03:16,759 --> 02:03:14,489
that they saw way up in this cliffy area

2866
02:03:20,449 --> 02:03:16,769
3,000 feet above where he disappeared

2867
02:03:24,199 --> 02:03:20,459
and the Park Service takes it seriously

2868
02:03:26,540 --> 02:03:24,209
they send 40 Park Rangers up to an area

2869
02:03:28,939 --> 02:03:26,550
in this cliff and the area was called

2870
02:03:31,279 --> 02:03:28,949
Devil's nest that's where this boy was

2871
02:03:34,069 --> 02:03:31,289
seen and what I write about in the books

2872
02:03:36,290 --> 02:03:34,079
is that the word devil comes into the

2873
02:03:38,870 --> 02:03:36,300
play and many times in areas where

2874
02:03:40,509 --> 02:03:38,880
people disappear as JC knows and as

2875
02:03:43,179 --> 02:03:40,519
people who have been in a while now

2876
02:03:46,699 --> 02:03:43,189
areas get a name for a certain reason

2877
02:03:50,569 --> 02:03:46,709
whatever that reason may be it's been

2878
02:03:53,000 --> 02:03:50,579
coined and for some reason devil comes

2879
02:03:55,009 --> 02:03:53,010
into play a lot on missing people in the

2880
02:03:56,839 --> 02:03:55,019
locations where they disappear make a

2881
02:03:58,370 --> 02:03:56,849
long story short for T Rangers spent

2882
02:03:59,420 --> 02:03:58,380
three days searching that area they

2883
02:04:01,610 --> 02:03:59,430
never found the boy

2884
02:04:05,270 --> 02:04:01,620
two adults claimed that they saw him so

2885
02:04:07,610 --> 02:04:05,280
how he got up there is unfathomable the

2886
02:04:09,590 --> 02:04:07,620
Ranger said there's no way an adult

2887
02:04:11,690 --> 02:04:09,600
could have gotten into that area without

2888
02:04:14,750 --> 02:04:11,700
gloves and assistance yet that boy did

2889
02:04:17,090 --> 02:04:14,760
so someone or something would have had

2890
02:04:19,670 --> 02:04:17,100
to have hastened this a logical

2891
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:19,680
assumption I have a question for you

2892
02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:20,610
Dave

2893
02:04:26,570 --> 02:04:24,090
there have been rumors and stories about

2894
02:04:29,500 --> 02:04:26,580
the disappearance of an entire village

2895
02:04:32,690 --> 02:04:29,510
in ëwhat village up in the northern

2896
02:04:33,860 --> 02:04:32,700
canada area back i believe it was the

2897
02:04:37,190 --> 02:04:33,870
20s or 30s

2898
02:04:40,120 --> 02:04:37,200
how about group I never cured multiple

2899
02:04:42,920 --> 02:04:40,130
multiple individuals disappearing

2900
02:04:45,650 --> 02:04:42,930
ostensibly at the same time do we have

2901
02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:45,660
any examples of groups of people that

2902
02:04:51,620 --> 02:04:47,970
inexplicably disappear no and I looked

2903
02:04:53,210 --> 02:04:51,630
into that story of de Nuits vanished in

2904
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:53,220
the trapper that supposedly found the

2905
02:04:57,350 --> 02:04:55,440
abandoned village and there's so many

2906
02:04:59,240 --> 02:04:57,360
discrepancies in that story but I

2907
02:05:01,610 --> 02:04:59,250
couldn't put a lot of validity into it

2908
02:05:03,950 --> 02:05:01,620
apparently in during that time frame

2909
02:05:07,010 --> 02:05:03,960
there were villages that were abandoned

2910
02:05:09,050 --> 02:05:07,020
from time to time as people moved this

2911
02:05:10,640 --> 02:05:09,060
story supposedly stated that you know

2912
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:10,650
they were starving dogs that were left

2913
02:05:16,070 --> 02:05:13,050
and there it was food on the table etc

2914
02:05:19,880 --> 02:05:16,080
etc again none of that could be as

2915
02:05:22,250 --> 02:05:19,890
substantiated and some of the story

2916
02:05:23,900 --> 02:05:22,260
sounded a little unusual but can't

2917
02:05:27,470 --> 02:05:23,910
validate it so I won't write about it

2918
02:05:29,780 --> 02:05:27,480
but I have never found a valid story

2919
02:05:32,510 --> 02:05:29,790
were a large group of people advantaged

2920
02:05:35,780 --> 02:05:32,520
how about examples of a couple or three

2921
02:05:39,170 --> 02:05:35,790
people or maybe a family a small smaller

2922
02:05:41,600 --> 02:05:39,180
group disappearing several examples in

2923
02:05:44,060 --> 02:05:41,610
the book where two kids disappear at the

2924
02:05:46,760 --> 02:05:44,070
same time the book doesn't only include

2925
02:05:49,190 --> 02:05:46,770
stories from national parks but from

2926
02:05:51,110 --> 02:05:49,200
rural locations as well and there's a

2927
02:05:53,510 --> 02:05:51,120
couple of stories where people two kids

2928
02:05:55,580 --> 02:05:53,520
lived on a farm and they vanished and

2929
02:05:57,200 --> 02:05:55,590
you know four to five thousand people go

2930
02:06:00,500 --> 02:05:57,210
out in search form and can never find

2931
02:06:03,350 --> 02:06:00,510
them and then within two weeks after the

2932
02:06:05,960 --> 02:06:03,360
search stops both are found laying on a

2933
02:06:08,120 --> 02:06:05,970
hillside almost within sight of the

2934
02:06:10,040 --> 02:06:08,130
location where they disappeared and a

2935
02:06:12,620 --> 02:06:10,050
location that had been searched 50 times

2936
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:12,630
before and both the kids bodies are

2937
02:06:14,990 --> 02:06:13,170
laying next

2938
02:06:17,360 --> 02:06:15,000
each other on the hill and they

2939
02:06:19,240 --> 02:06:17,370
supposedly died of natural causes and

2940
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:19,250
the searchers are adamant oh absolutely

2941
02:06:25,790 --> 02:06:22,410
adamant they search the location 2030

2942
02:06:28,490 --> 02:06:25,800
times and there's many many many stories

2943
02:06:31,430 --> 02:06:28,500
in the books researchers search an area

2944
02:06:33,770 --> 02:06:31,440
and the body turns up inside the search

2945
02:06:36,890 --> 02:06:33,780
perimeter on a trail that will search

2946
02:06:39,740 --> 02:06:36,900
multiple multiple multiple times well

2947
02:06:42,200 --> 02:06:39,750
how do we explain that I have no idea I

2948
02:06:45,590 --> 02:06:42,210
don't think any logic comes into play

2949
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:45,600
other than the body seems to be returned

2950
02:06:50,390 --> 02:06:47,850
and put in a location where everyone

2951
02:06:54,050 --> 02:06:50,400
would know that it would be found well

2952
02:06:56,750 --> 02:06:54,060
this is really it's probably disturbing

2953
02:07:00,380 --> 02:06:56,760
actually when you think about it that so

2954
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:00,390
many people can disappear in never you

2955
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:04,010
know no trace or any sort of evidence

2956
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:06,330
can be found to explain these

2957
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:08,850
disappearances how pervasive do you

2958
02:07:15,830 --> 02:07:12,960
think this is around the world you in

2959
02:07:17,990 --> 02:07:15,840
your book missing 411 you talk about the

2960
02:07:19,700 --> 02:07:18,000
western United States and you do include

2961
02:07:22,250 --> 02:07:19,710
I got some cases from from the East

2962
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:22,260
Coast you mentioned a few but do we have

2963
02:07:28,640 --> 02:07:25,530
any sense of what's going on in Outer

2964
02:07:31,370 --> 02:07:28,650
Mongolia or northern India or South

2965
02:07:33,410 --> 02:07:31,380
America I mean could we be talking about

2966
02:07:34,910 --> 02:07:33,420
thousands and thousands and thousands of

2967
02:07:38,060 --> 02:07:34,920
people disappearing every year without a

2968
02:07:39,979 --> 02:07:38,070
trace and with no logical explanation

2969
02:07:41,689 --> 02:07:39,989
so just for clarity yeah there's

2970
02:07:44,150 --> 02:07:41,699
actually two books missing for one worn

2971
02:07:47,709 --> 02:07:44,160
Western us missing for one one eastern

2972
02:07:51,470 --> 02:07:47,719
US the equal-sized okay I didn't realize

2973
02:07:53,620 --> 02:07:51,480
okay thank you and then there there's a

2974
02:07:55,939 --> 02:07:53,630
large section on the western book about

2975
02:07:58,370 --> 02:07:55,949
disappearances in Canada that go way up

2976
02:08:00,200 --> 02:07:58,380
into the north people have asked me

2977
02:08:02,810 --> 02:08:00,210
before will this geography come into

2978
02:08:04,970 --> 02:08:02,820
play I don't think so the most common

2979
02:08:06,830 --> 02:08:04,980
feature is that there's water very

2980
02:08:09,560 --> 02:08:06,840
nearby usually when these people

2981
02:08:11,870 --> 02:08:09,570
disappear but water doesn't play into

2982
02:08:14,150 --> 02:08:11,880
the death and that's an important factor

2983
02:08:16,070 --> 02:08:14,160
a lot of skeptics saying well you know

2984
02:08:18,919 --> 02:08:16,080
they drowned or they got washed away no

2985
02:08:20,540 --> 02:08:18,929
no each one of those instances they

2986
02:08:23,500 --> 02:08:20,550
would have eliminated the case from this

2987
02:08:27,150 --> 02:08:23,510
group now as far as other countries

2988
02:08:29,070 --> 02:08:27,160
since the time I finished the second

2989
02:08:30,360 --> 02:08:29,080
I kind of made a public notice that you

2990
02:08:33,270 --> 02:08:30,370
know we're gonna step away from this

2991
02:08:38,010 --> 02:08:33,280
because it's disturbing it's depressing

2992
02:08:40,110 --> 02:08:38,020
and it's almost a conundrum it's a very

2993
02:08:41,960 --> 02:08:40,120
difficult thing to understand until

2994
02:08:44,910 --> 02:08:41,970
you've gotten into this at a deep level

2995
02:08:46,410 --> 02:08:44,920
and many many of the people who have

2996
02:08:47,670 --> 02:08:46,420
read these books have come back and had

2997
02:08:50,520 --> 02:08:47,680
the same feelings I did it's a

2998
02:08:52,550 --> 02:08:50,530
fascinating read but it's disturbing you

2999
02:08:54,810 --> 02:08:52,560
will not walk a trail in the woods

3000
02:08:57,630 --> 02:08:54,820
thinking the same thing again

3001
02:08:58,440 --> 02:08:57,640
guaranteed yeah well they if you think

3002
02:09:02,160 --> 02:08:58,450
that's disturbing

3003
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:02,170
I really would kind of warn you away

3004
02:09:06,720 --> 02:09:04,570
from investigating the unexplained

3005
02:09:08,490 --> 02:09:06,730
livestock death phenomenon because I'll

3006
02:09:10,620 --> 02:09:08,500
tell you I know you're dealing with

3007
02:09:13,950 --> 02:09:10,630
people and stuff but having investigated

3008
02:09:15,690 --> 02:09:13,960
over 200 some odd cases over the years

3009
02:09:18,030 --> 02:09:15,700
and seeing what's been done to these

3010
02:09:21,780 --> 02:09:18,040
animals god forbid we should be dealing

3011
02:09:23,670 --> 02:09:21,790
with the same scenario with people we

3012
02:09:26,030 --> 02:09:23,680
probably have been but we just don't

3013
02:09:29,340 --> 02:09:26,040
know it yet that's the unfortunate part

3014
02:09:32,220 --> 02:09:29,350
wow there's like there's actually a case

3015
02:09:34,710 --> 02:09:32,230
out of Brazil that mimics many of the

3016
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:34,720
livestock cases a man disappeared and

3017
02:09:39,900 --> 02:09:36,610
was found in the middle of an island

3018
02:09:45,060 --> 02:09:39,910
near a lake in Brazil yes many of the

3019
02:09:47,400 --> 02:09:45,070
same features it's actually quite famous

3020
02:09:50,280 --> 02:09:47,410
in the annals of ufology quite a

3021
02:09:52,940 --> 02:09:50,290
standalone case but let's just hope that

3022
02:09:57,270 --> 02:09:52,950
we're not dealing with something as

3023
02:10:00,930 --> 02:09:57,280
nightmarishly horrific as as that

3024
02:10:02,760 --> 02:10:00,940
particular case which is highly unusual

3025
02:10:05,820 --> 02:10:02,770
I might add and the fact that the

3026
02:10:08,610 --> 02:10:05,830
autopsy photos and and the examination

3027
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notes were released was was actually by

3028
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accident and the case never should have

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come out into the public domain which it

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did we'll get into very much more of

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what's going on here

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up lifecycle feed in other books you're

3141
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listening to the parent cap well I'll

3142
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tell you what Chris O'Brien David and JC

3143
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I don't know that I ever want to go to a

3144
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National Forest ever again after this

3145
02:15:09,790 --> 02:15:08,060
just take me with you yeah gene I don't

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think you've ever hiked the trail and

3147
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the mountains in your fight okay maybe

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the mountains of Manhattan you know up

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up and down some staircases but but it

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correct me if I'm wrong

3151
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have you ever camped a single day in

3152
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your life yes you have

3153
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where besides outside of gym Mosley's

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conferences to get get a front row seat

3155
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well I didn't have to count down just

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give me the front row seat because he

3157
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was a mensch

3158
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so have you ever caught a fish yes you

3159
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have yes have you ever shot or gone

3160
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hunting you ever shot a rifle or

3161
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discharged a firearm a real firearm

3162
02:15:52,120 --> 02:15:49,550
absolutely not not my scene so if I'm

3163
02:15:55,570 --> 02:15:52,130
doing that kind of traveling JC you're

3164
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invited I'll go with you okay I'd like

3165
02:15:58,960 --> 02:15:57,020
to bring up something about the clothing

3166
02:16:00,820 --> 02:15:58,970
too because we talked a little earlier

3167
02:16:03,700 --> 02:16:00,830
before the program started about the

3168
02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:03,710
clothing I've got a property owner who

3169
02:16:10,810 --> 02:16:07,010
I'm gonna go out there in visit he's got

3170
02:16:14,680 --> 02:16:10,820
a a we're wolf dog man kind of situation

3171
02:16:16,060 --> 02:16:14,690
going on one of his friends was with

3172
02:16:18,550 --> 02:16:16,070
another friend and they were on his

3173
02:16:20,740 --> 02:16:18,560
property walking along the other guy had

3174
02:16:22,180 --> 02:16:20,750
a camera and he was stopping and taking

3175
02:16:24,070 --> 02:16:22,190
photographs of different things the

3176
02:16:26,470 --> 02:16:24,080
other guy was ahead of the trail just

3177
02:16:28,840 --> 02:16:26,480
maybe 20 yards or so he still had him in

3178
02:16:32,440 --> 02:16:28,850
sight and all of a sudden this wolf and

3179
02:16:34,410 --> 02:16:32,450
dog man type of scenario comes out snaps

3180
02:16:37,930 --> 02:16:34,420
the guy's neck it's walking on two legs

3181
02:16:39,430 --> 02:16:37,940
snaps the guy's neck and you just saw

3182
02:16:40,810 --> 02:16:39,440
your friend get killed you're standing

3183
02:16:43,209 --> 02:16:40,820
there in shock he kind of ducked behind

3184
02:16:46,450 --> 02:16:43,219
some bushes and watched as this thing

3185
02:16:48,459 --> 02:16:46,460
removed his clothing folded his clothing

3186
02:16:52,169 --> 02:16:48,469
and then carried away the body

3187
02:16:56,580 --> 02:16:52,179
wait a minute JC I'm having a hard time

3188
02:16:58,379 --> 02:16:56,590
swallowing that particular scenario

3189
02:17:00,929 --> 02:16:58,389
what when and where I mean do we have

3190
02:17:03,770 --> 02:17:00,939
any sort of documentation on this he

3191
02:17:06,480 --> 02:17:03,780
said this is a pretty pretty well-known

3192
02:17:09,270 --> 02:17:06,490
person as far as the strange bizarre and

3193
02:17:11,490 --> 02:17:09,280
unusual and I won't compromise this

3194
02:17:13,650 --> 02:17:11,500
until we can get out there because we're

3195
02:17:16,160 --> 02:17:13,660
actually gonna hunt for whatever these

3196
02:17:20,190 --> 02:17:16,170
things are when did this happen a couple

3197
02:17:24,209 --> 02:17:20,200
years ago and can you give us an

3198
02:17:26,040 --> 02:17:24,219
approximate location um down south down

3199
02:17:27,870 --> 02:17:26,050
south and I hate to make an incredible

3200
02:17:31,740 --> 02:17:27,880
claim but I I just wanted to bring that

3201
02:17:33,540 --> 02:17:31,750
up that was like so above and beyond the

3202
02:17:35,129 --> 02:17:33,550
believable I mean the guy watched this

3203
02:17:37,620 --> 02:17:35,139
happen he was in he was holding the

3204
02:17:39,450 --> 02:17:37,630
camera well yeah and this happened

3205
02:17:40,560 --> 02:17:39,460
before Dave came out with his book and

3206
02:17:42,750 --> 02:17:40,570
that's what I found really unusual

3207
02:17:44,459 --> 02:17:42,760
because I get reports of different weird

3208
02:17:46,799 --> 02:17:44,469
things all the time but what stuck out

3209
02:17:49,290 --> 02:17:46,809
of my mind when Dave did come out with

3210
02:17:51,810 --> 02:17:49,300
this book is the way this this thing

3211
02:17:54,209 --> 02:17:51,820
handled the clothing I found it very

3212
02:17:56,429 --> 02:17:54,219
bizarre you know why I have a detail

3213
02:17:58,230 --> 02:17:56,439
like that if you're not telling what you

3214
02:18:00,360 --> 02:17:58,240
saw you know that's really strange that

3215
02:18:03,929 --> 02:18:00,370
it would fold the clothing and then take

3216
02:18:06,990 --> 02:18:03,939
the body yeah that's kind of weird

3217
02:18:11,459 --> 02:18:07,000
creature is obsessive-compulsive that

3218
02:18:13,110 --> 02:18:11,469
could be respectful of maybe the guy you

3219
02:18:14,959 --> 02:18:13,120
know was wearing Gucci or a Calvin Klein

3220
02:18:17,820 --> 02:18:14,969
or something we don't have those details

3221
02:18:21,419 --> 02:18:17,830
very bizarre but this is something you

3222
02:18:23,400 --> 02:18:21,429
know that we can address and so to say

3223
02:18:25,230 --> 02:18:23,410
putting one in a box I if there's not a

3224
02:18:27,660 --> 02:18:25,240
human factor involved with what these

3225
02:18:29,190 --> 02:18:27,670
things are they need wacken there's a

3226
02:18:31,560 --> 02:18:29,200
lot of stuff out there that needs

3227
02:18:34,770 --> 02:18:31,570
whacking that needs to be brought in and

3228
02:18:37,950 --> 02:18:34,780
put before science well that kind of

3229
02:18:40,320 --> 02:18:37,960
reminds me of the the you know a couple

3230
02:18:42,620 --> 02:18:40,330
of the reports from the wina base and

3231
02:18:45,389 --> 02:18:42,630
around the Sherman Ranch area of dog men

3232
02:18:49,860 --> 02:18:45,399
leaning against trees smoking cigarettes

3233
02:18:52,410 --> 02:18:49,870
I in a shameless kind of plug here Jesse

3234
02:18:55,379 --> 02:18:52,420
Ventura's conspiracy theory is going to

3235
02:18:58,770 --> 02:18:55,389
be airing on December 5th which I'm I

3236
02:19:01,560 --> 02:18:58,780
think is a that gene I think that's

3237
02:19:03,240 --> 02:19:01,570
gonna be after this show airs so the

3238
02:19:08,099 --> 02:19:03,250
show is going to be heard on December

3239
02:19:11,639 --> 02:19:08,109
2nd ok so on December 5th

3240
02:19:14,909 --> 02:19:11,649
on truTV there's going to be what I hope

3241
02:19:17,279 --> 02:19:14,919
to be the most insightful look at Robert

3242
02:19:21,859 --> 02:19:17,289
Bigelow and the Sherman Ranch which has

3243
02:19:25,199 --> 02:19:21,869
featured reports of dog men wolf men

3244
02:19:28,319 --> 02:19:25,209
bipedal you know canine type creatures

3245
02:19:31,799 --> 02:19:28,329
including the famous description by

3246
02:19:33,629 --> 02:19:31,809
Terry Sherman of these creatures or one

3247
02:19:35,699 --> 02:19:33,639
of these creatures leaning up against a

3248
02:19:38,159 --> 02:19:35,709
tree smoking a cigarette that's one of

3249
02:19:41,879 --> 02:19:38,169
my favorite descriptions of a dog man

3250
02:19:43,639 --> 02:19:41,889
well I tell you god watch out what

3251
02:19:45,809 --> 02:19:43,649
happens if you smoke too many cigarettes

3252
02:19:48,269 --> 02:19:45,819
can't be sure if it was a cigarette

3253
02:19:50,699 --> 02:19:48,279
maybe it was like some weird concoction

3254
02:19:53,159 --> 02:19:50,709
that it could be one of those funny

3255
02:19:55,500 --> 02:19:53,169
cigarettes that has become legal in a

3256
02:20:01,170 --> 02:19:55,510
couple of states in the US or

3257
02:20:03,809 --> 02:20:01,180
Kinnickinnic uh who connect Nick JC

3258
02:20:06,659 --> 02:20:03,819
knows what Kinnickinnic is it's a Native

3259
02:20:11,460 --> 02:20:06,669
American herbal smoking mixture that has

3260
02:20:13,679 --> 02:20:11,470
a variety of of benign substances and

3261
02:20:16,099 --> 02:20:13,689
I'm sure there's there's variations on

3262
02:20:19,319 --> 02:20:16,109
that thing that are less benign but

3263
02:20:20,699 --> 02:20:19,329
anyway tune in truTV conspiracy theory

3264
02:20:24,830 --> 02:20:20,709
they're gonna cover the Sherman Ranch

3265
02:20:28,439 --> 02:20:24,840
case and the in enigmatic Robert Bigelow

3266
02:20:32,580 --> 02:20:28,449
okay at least they're allowing him to be

3267
02:20:35,040 --> 02:20:32,590
covered well I think because the show

3268
02:20:36,389 --> 02:20:35,050
ended up getting re-edited I'm not

3269
02:20:38,069 --> 02:20:36,399
really sure what's going to be in there

3270
02:20:41,969 --> 02:20:38,079
the executive producer told me they had

3271
02:20:43,979 --> 02:20:41,979
a killer a killer show segment and it's

3272
02:20:46,500 --> 02:20:43,989
still good he says but it's not as good

3273
02:20:49,649 --> 02:20:46,510
as it was evidently they were put under

3274
02:20:55,619 --> 02:20:49,659
some pressure it would be the assumption

3275
02:20:58,500 --> 02:20:55,629
to allow the higher-ups to go in and

3276
02:20:59,550 --> 02:20:58,510
have the piece we edited so we'll just

3277
02:21:02,609 --> 02:20:59,560
have to wait and see

3278
02:21:04,710 --> 02:21:02,619
put your TiVo's on record that's why

3279
02:21:08,069 --> 02:21:04,720
it's important to know your producer and

3280
02:21:09,869 --> 02:21:08,079
the integrity of the program because

3281
02:21:11,819 --> 02:21:09,879
once it hits the cutting room floor you

3282
02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:11,829
don't have a lot of control over the

3283
02:21:20,729 --> 02:21:15,010
spin they put on things well all I know

3284
02:21:21,780 --> 02:21:20,739
is when ty his son - sure Tyrell went on

3285
02:21:23,940 --> 02:21:21,790
the

3286
02:21:25,740 --> 02:21:23,950
radio program a couple of months back

3287
02:21:27,570 --> 02:21:25,750
and was talking about the the season

3288
02:21:29,330 --> 02:21:27,580
which had been put on hiatus for eight

3289
02:21:32,430 --> 02:21:29,340
months while they were doing their

3290
02:21:34,620 --> 02:21:32,440
re-editing jobs he said that the one

3291
02:21:37,261 --> 02:21:34,630
segment that out of the whole season

3292
02:21:39,060 --> 02:21:37,271
that he was looking forward to to seeing

3293
02:21:40,910 --> 02:21:39,070
the reaction of and then the one that

3294
02:21:43,410 --> 02:21:40,920
impressed him the most was the one that

3295
02:21:45,330 --> 02:21:43,420
Ryan Skinner and myself were involved

3296
02:21:48,300 --> 02:21:45,340
with up at the Sherman ranch in Utah we

3297
02:21:51,900 --> 02:21:48,310
had it was pretty interesting and ABI

3298
02:21:53,310 --> 02:21:51,910
I'm kind of wondering what's gonna end

3299
02:21:55,710 --> 02:21:53,320
up in the segment and what's gonna be

3300
02:21:57,570 --> 02:21:55,720
excised we'll have to just wait and see

3301
02:21:59,550 --> 02:21:57,580
we're gonna have a discussion on that

3302
02:22:02,550 --> 02:21:59,560
after maybe get Jesse Ventura back on

3303
02:22:05,550 --> 02:22:02,560
the show that'd be fine actually that's

3304
02:22:07,890 --> 02:22:05,560
get I his son in Oliver Stone son Sean

3305
02:22:09,780 --> 02:22:07,900
Stone who was there with us

3306
02:22:12,261 --> 02:22:09,790
of course Oliver Stone is the famous

3307
02:22:15,390 --> 02:22:12,271
director Adam E award-winning director

3308
02:22:17,490 --> 02:22:15,400
Sean a really interesting guy and I of

3309
02:22:20,340 --> 02:22:17,500
her interesting guy I think these guys

3310
02:22:23,850 --> 02:22:20,350
should do a show with Dave on on the

3311
02:22:26,340 --> 02:22:23,860
missing persons I mean it does fall into

3312
02:22:29,761 --> 02:22:26,350
this kind of conspiracy theory you know

3313
02:22:32,130 --> 02:22:29,771
Barry wick I think if more people in

3314
02:22:34,890 --> 02:22:32,140
this country knew about these strange

3315
02:22:38,790 --> 02:22:34,900
disappearances there'd be much more of a

3316
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:38,800
public out outcry for accountability by

3317
02:22:43,920 --> 02:22:40,960
our government especially when it has to

3318
02:22:46,040 --> 02:22:43,930
do with with federally owned lands you

3319
02:22:50,430 --> 02:22:46,050
know national parks national forests

3320
02:22:52,470 --> 02:22:50,440
federally mandated procedures that

3321
02:22:55,230 --> 02:22:52,480
aren't transparent I think is a major

3322
02:22:58,200 --> 02:22:55,240
issue and and deserves as much attention

3323
02:23:01,350 --> 02:22:58,210
as we can bring to that subject wouldn't

3324
02:23:04,530 --> 02:23:01,360
you agree that I'm in your corner a

3325
02:23:07,380 --> 02:23:04,540
hundred and ten percent I think that if

3326
02:23:11,340 --> 02:23:07,390
the public at the knowledge base that

3327
02:23:15,030 --> 02:23:11,350
you and JC and myself have that they

3328
02:23:17,761 --> 02:23:15,040
would be outraged but I think I'd still

3329
02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:17,771
like to see guys more speculation about

3330
02:23:23,761 --> 02:23:21,010
the possible causes do we think it's

3331
02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:23,771
something that's paranormal related or

3332
02:23:27,870 --> 02:23:26,170
maybe some secret society that kidnaps

3333
02:23:32,011 --> 02:23:27,880
these people for reasons best known to

3334
02:23:33,990 --> 02:23:32,021
themselves not going to touch that one

3335
02:23:34,751 --> 02:23:34,000
how about you guys I'll leave that up to

3336
02:23:37,270 --> 02:23:34,761
you

3337
02:23:38,621 --> 02:23:37,280
up to Dave and I one of the conjectures

3338
02:23:40,301 --> 02:23:38,631
that came out when the book first came

3339
02:23:42,731 --> 02:23:40,311
out is everybody's like oh you're

3340
02:23:45,361 --> 02:23:42,741
blaming Bigfoot you're blaming Bigfoot

3341
02:23:48,220 --> 02:23:45,371
Bigfoot's this big forest animal that

3342
02:23:50,231 --> 02:23:48,230
smokes weed and smells daisies and stuff

3343
02:23:54,041 --> 02:23:50,241
like I didn't it wasn't really pointing

3344
02:23:56,981 --> 02:23:54,051
the finger to you know Bigfoot or any

3345
02:23:58,810 --> 02:23:56,991
other particular entity that's out there

3346
02:24:01,091 --> 02:23:58,820
I I'm on the conjecture that there's

3347
02:24:04,361 --> 02:24:01,101
lots of entities out there that take

3348
02:24:06,281 --> 02:24:04,371
people on a regular basis that they

3349
02:24:09,461 --> 02:24:06,291
can't control they can't do anything

3350
02:24:11,321 --> 02:24:09,471
about do they tolerate it or they just

3351
02:24:12,841 --> 02:24:11,331
don't want to frighten the populace

3352
02:24:16,331 --> 02:24:12,851
we'll have to ask those questions

3353
02:24:17,861 --> 02:24:16,341
David Pilates and Jesse Johnson joining

3354
02:24:23,930 --> 02:24:17,871
gene and Chris for one more segment

3355
02:24:23,940 --> 02:24:28,301
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Johnson who deals with cryptozoological

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this again here is there a paranormal

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02:29:20,350 --> 02:29:17,630
a show guys I'd prefer to stay away from

3474
02:29:23,440 --> 02:29:20,360
that angle and and just talk about the

3475
02:29:26,610 --> 02:29:23,450
cases themselves one thing I will say is

3476
02:29:29,230 --> 02:29:26,620
that I probably heard ten different

3477
02:29:32,110 --> 02:29:29,240
well-thought-out pieces about what may

3478
02:29:35,020 --> 02:29:32,120
be occurring here the one that everybody

3479
02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:35,030
in the world can probably relate to is

3480
02:29:40,390 --> 02:29:37,850
that I was approached and people wanted

3481
02:29:42,969 --> 02:29:40,400
to know what the religious backgrounds

3482
02:29:45,190 --> 02:29:42,979
were on these people were they

3483
02:29:47,920 --> 02:29:45,200
Christians were they religious did they

3484
02:29:51,000 --> 02:29:47,930
believe in God did they go to church I

3485
02:29:55,570 --> 02:29:51,010
got several emails along that line and

3486
02:29:59,370 --> 02:29:55,580
what the email er was was trying to draw

3487
02:30:03,640 --> 02:29:59,380
a connection to is was there some

3488
02:30:06,340 --> 02:30:03,650
satanic type individual coming down

3489
02:30:09,550 --> 02:30:06,350
grabbing the person and taking them to

3490
02:30:11,560 --> 02:30:09,560
hell now being someone that you know I

3491
02:30:15,670 --> 02:30:11,570
never knew that people actually thought

3492
02:30:18,760 --> 02:30:15,680
that this occurred to a living being I I

3493
02:30:20,860 --> 02:30:18,770
was kind of taken aback I answered the

3494
02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:20,870
questions that the person had as I do to

3495
02:30:28,240 --> 02:30:24,650
most of the emails I get but to show you

3496
02:30:31,810 --> 02:30:28,250
the variance in the thinking after you

3497
02:30:35,260 --> 02:30:31,820
read the book that what may be occurring

3498
02:30:36,700 --> 02:30:35,270
I mean just like JC said it would be

3499
02:30:39,500 --> 02:30:36,710
almost

3500
02:30:41,210 --> 02:30:39,510
completely out of wine for me to say one

3501
02:30:43,910 --> 02:30:41,220
thing or another is happening here

3502
02:30:46,330 --> 02:30:43,920
because one thing I haven't asked is

3503
02:30:48,950 --> 02:30:46,340
that in the back of the eastern book

3504
02:30:51,740 --> 02:30:48,960
there's a list of every person that

3505
02:30:53,809 --> 02:30:51,750
disappeared their date of birth the date

3506
02:30:56,450 --> 02:30:53,819
they disappeared their age their sex in

3507
02:30:58,429 --> 02:30:56,460
the location and I had oh I have always

3508
02:31:00,620 --> 02:30:58,439
asked not out to your audience I wish

3509
02:31:03,349 --> 02:31:00,630
somebody would do a statistical analysis

3510
02:31:05,469 --> 02:31:03,359
and a breakdown of these disappearances

3511
02:31:08,269 --> 02:31:05,479
because I think there is something there

3512
02:31:10,730 --> 02:31:08,279
but we don't have the wherewithal to pay

3513
02:31:14,870 --> 02:31:10,740
for that for that study but I think it's

3514
02:31:18,260 --> 02:31:14,880
relevant now the logical question here

3515
02:31:19,940 --> 02:31:18,270
is you've got a book that obviously has

3516
02:31:22,550 --> 02:31:19,950
appealed to a number of people who look

3517
02:31:24,349 --> 02:31:22,560
into strange events but how do you get

3518
02:31:26,809 --> 02:31:24,359
mainstream law enforcement and

3519
02:31:29,059 --> 02:31:26,819
scientists involved in looking at this

3520
02:31:30,950 --> 02:31:29,069
thing on a global basis obviously if

3521
02:31:33,050 --> 02:31:30,960
they're stonewalling you they don't want

3522
02:31:35,330 --> 02:31:33,060
to release information under Freedom of

3523
02:31:40,099 --> 02:31:35,340
Information Act it sounds to me there's

3524
02:31:44,870 --> 02:31:40,109
guilty knowledge out there yeah it's a

3525
02:31:46,429 --> 02:31:44,880
tough tough situation if the National

3526
02:31:50,630 --> 02:31:46,439
Park Service doesn't have to live by the

3527
02:31:52,280 --> 02:31:50,640
rules of FOIA and the more you get into

3528
02:31:54,769 --> 02:31:52,290
FOIA the more you truly understand

3529
02:31:56,000 --> 02:31:54,779
there's not a lot of teeth to it we

3530
02:31:57,440 --> 02:31:56,010
really don't know if we're getting the

3531
02:31:59,480 --> 02:31:57,450
right documents we don't really know for

3532
02:32:04,250 --> 02:31:59,490
getting all the documents because there

3533
02:32:07,700 --> 02:32:04,260
is no legal retribution if they don't

3534
02:32:12,290 --> 02:32:07,710
comply that's one of the problems with

3535
02:32:14,990 --> 02:32:12,300
foi a well that of course applies in a

3536
02:32:17,990 --> 02:32:15,000
lot of different subject lines it's not

3537
02:32:20,510 --> 02:32:18,000
just strange disappearances but UFOs for

3538
02:32:23,599 --> 02:32:20,520
example and before we get too far afield

3539
02:32:25,940 --> 02:32:23,609
I am NOT I am NOT suggesting that UFOs

3540
02:32:29,960 --> 02:32:25,950
have anything whatsoever to do with this

3541
02:32:31,580 --> 02:32:29,970
yeah I think it applies to everything

3542
02:32:33,290 --> 02:32:31,590
under that Freedom of Information Act

3543
02:32:34,809 --> 02:32:33,300
the government has set it up so it

3544
02:32:37,219 --> 02:32:34,819
appears as though they're trying to

3545
02:32:40,160 --> 02:32:37,229
assist us but the reality of it is

3546
02:32:42,110 --> 02:32:40,170
there's no piece in the Act and I've

3547
02:32:44,389 --> 02:32:42,120
heard reports here event the Obama

3548
02:32:46,490 --> 02:32:44,399
administration despite promises of being

3549
02:32:47,990 --> 02:32:46,500
more forthcoming and releasing this

3550
02:32:49,820 --> 02:32:48,000
information has clamped down more than

3551
02:32:52,099 --> 02:32:49,830
previous administrations

3552
02:32:54,260 --> 02:32:52,109
and to make myself perfectly clear as

3553
02:32:56,480 --> 02:32:54,270
someone once said I don't want to get

3554
02:32:58,490 --> 02:32:56,490
into any of the possible political

3555
02:33:00,980 --> 02:32:58,500
implications of any of that okay well

3556
02:33:03,559 --> 02:33:00,990
this is a almost entirely under his

3557
02:33:06,590 --> 02:33:03,569
watch so I wouldn't argue that point for

3558
02:33:09,080 --> 02:33:06,600
sure so where do you go from here are

3559
02:33:11,000 --> 02:33:09,090
you going to do another book covering

3560
02:33:14,150 --> 02:33:11,010
other areas of the country of the world

3561
02:33:16,580 --> 02:33:14,160
or is this something where now let's

3562
02:33:20,210 --> 02:33:16,590
just pursue the investigations and find

3563
02:33:24,290 --> 02:33:20,220
out what's going on I think you might be

3564
02:33:27,790 --> 02:33:24,300
a little bit of both that that we have

3565
02:33:29,630 --> 02:33:27,800
the ability to do I think that

3566
02:33:32,750 --> 02:33:29,640
continuing to stay out there

3567
02:33:34,550 --> 02:33:32,760
interviewing people like JC has specific

3568
02:33:38,450 --> 02:33:34,560
contacts that are really really

3569
02:33:41,300 --> 02:33:38,460
interesting that bring out more elements

3570
02:33:43,639 --> 02:33:41,310
as to what may be occurring having

3571
02:33:45,469 --> 02:33:43,649
people that have an understanding that

3572
02:33:47,510 --> 02:33:45,479
this is occurring and that people know

3573
02:33:49,460 --> 02:33:47,520
there becomes a certain comfort level

3574
02:33:52,520 --> 02:33:49,470
now to approach people that have

3575
02:33:54,500 --> 02:33:52,530
compassion to their cause I mean I've

3576
02:33:56,960 --> 02:33:54,510
heard of more cases in the last six

3577
02:33:58,370 --> 02:33:56,970
months of small children that have

3578
02:34:01,639 --> 02:33:58,380
disappeared that you won't read about

3579
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:01,649
anywhere on any website and how can that

3580
02:34:05,570 --> 02:34:02,010
be

3581
02:34:07,940 --> 02:34:05,580
I seen actually those written that's

3582
02:34:10,190 --> 02:34:07,950
especially frightening you think when it

3583
02:34:13,910 --> 02:34:10,200
comes to children you'd hear about ten

3584
02:34:16,490 --> 02:34:13,920
times as often well plus if you and I

3585
02:34:21,469 --> 02:34:16,500
want to disappear we're not breaking any

3586
02:34:26,450 --> 02:34:21,479
law if a child disappears that's usually

3587
02:34:28,849 --> 02:34:26,460
something unusual has occurred and they

3588
02:34:32,750 --> 02:34:28,859
don't really have the ability to say yes

3589
02:34:37,130 --> 02:34:32,760
or no if they're very small and that's

3590
02:34:38,420 --> 02:34:37,140
the part that bothers us as a group well

3591
02:34:43,250 --> 02:34:38,430
there's the other thing here of course

3592
02:34:46,070 --> 02:34:43,260
is that if someone wants to disappear it

3593
02:34:47,780 --> 02:34:46,080
can be done it's not impossible I mean

3594
02:34:50,870 --> 02:34:47,790
this is not something you have to depend

3595
02:34:53,750 --> 02:34:50,880
on some interaction with UFOs or alien

3596
02:34:56,000 --> 02:34:53,760
abductions or anything like that think

3597
02:34:58,160 --> 02:34:56,010
that they would choose some remote

3598
02:35:01,820 --> 02:34:58,170
uncontrolled by the government

3599
02:35:05,570 --> 02:35:01,830
area or a city for that matter to

3600
02:35:08,149 --> 02:35:05,580
disappear disappearing International

3601
02:35:11,059 --> 02:35:08,159
Park or in a National Forest opens up a

3602
02:35:13,840 --> 02:35:11,069
whole investigative realm that the

3603
02:35:18,380 --> 02:35:13,850
average adult I think would would

3604
02:35:21,170 --> 02:35:18,390
understand that and and choose a a more

3605
02:35:23,179 --> 02:35:21,180
subtle way of doing it and that's why I

3606
02:35:25,729 --> 02:35:23,189
think Dave's work is so important

3607
02:35:28,880 --> 02:35:25,739
because we're dealing with federally

3608
02:35:30,710 --> 02:35:28,890
controlled areas that you would you

3609
02:35:32,719 --> 02:35:30,720
would think we would have some

3610
02:35:36,260 --> 02:35:32,729
transparency here and the fact that foi

3611
02:35:37,700 --> 02:35:36,270
hay has been tolerated I guess by

3612
02:35:40,099 --> 02:35:37,710
certain agencies within the government

3613
02:35:44,450 --> 02:35:40,109
since it was enacted during the Carter

3614
02:35:46,849 --> 02:35:44,460
Administration I you know this this is

3615
02:35:51,910 --> 02:35:46,859
is is very disturbing this whole subject

3616
02:35:54,800 --> 02:35:51,920
and I won't even get into other areas of

3617
02:35:56,510 --> 02:35:54,810
disappearances including livestock and

3618
02:35:59,170 --> 02:35:56,520
other things that I personally have been

3619
02:36:02,059 --> 02:35:59,180
involved with but this particular

3620
02:36:06,229 --> 02:36:02,069
subject I think needs more exposure I

3621
02:36:08,120 --> 02:36:06,239
think I applaud you Dave for your work

3622
02:36:09,679 --> 02:36:08,130
in this realm I think more attention

3623
02:36:12,439 --> 02:36:09,689
needs to be brought to this subject this

3624
02:36:14,960 --> 02:36:12,449
is really this is really important stuff

3625
02:36:18,410 --> 02:36:14,970
I mean there's countless families and

3626
02:36:21,050 --> 02:36:18,420
and and loved ones out there that are

3627
02:36:23,719 --> 02:36:21,060
not getting closure and and this is

3628
02:36:27,229 --> 02:36:23,729
really to me it's it's heart-wrenching

3629
02:36:29,300 --> 02:36:27,239
and some of the areas of human

3630
02:36:31,880 --> 02:36:29,310
trafficking outside of these

3631
02:36:34,130 --> 02:36:31,890
disappearances and so forth we've got

3632
02:36:36,800 --> 02:36:34,140
urban abductions and children

3633
02:36:39,740 --> 02:36:36,810
disappearing the real human trafficking

3634
02:36:41,750 --> 02:36:39,750
of children and adults in this country

3635
02:36:43,519 --> 02:36:41,760
just some of the stuff that I've been

3636
02:36:45,710 --> 02:36:43,529
researching some of the organizations

3637
02:36:48,170 --> 02:36:45,720
that I'm involved with is shocking

3638
02:36:51,410 --> 02:36:48,180
absolutely shocking and where these

3639
02:36:53,929 --> 02:36:51,420
people end up some of them is beyond

3640
02:36:57,139 --> 02:36:53,939
imagination and that's a whole nother

3641
02:36:59,120 --> 02:36:57,149
can of worms I agree I'll tell you folks

3642
02:37:00,979 --> 02:36:59,130
we only have a couple of moments left so

3643
02:37:02,479 --> 02:37:00,989
David do you want to contribute

3644
02:37:05,899 --> 02:37:02,489
something to that discussion

3645
02:37:09,229 --> 02:37:05,909
you know well-versed in human

3646
02:37:12,051 --> 02:37:09,239
trafficking but just because the these

3647
02:37:16,371 --> 02:37:12,061
disappearances occurred in such whirl

3648
02:37:19,661 --> 02:37:16,381
it's very hard for us to fathom that

3649
02:37:23,511 --> 02:37:19,671
there was a human predator out there

3650
02:37:26,421 --> 02:37:23,521
nabbing these people again it it's very

3651
02:37:29,360 --> 02:37:26,431
very hard to control an adult or an old

3652
02:37:31,341 --> 02:37:29,370
teenager an older teenager if they don't

3653
02:37:33,770 --> 02:37:31,351
want to move someplace in the woods and

3654
02:37:35,631 --> 02:37:33,780
you've you've got to eventually walk

3655
02:37:37,161 --> 02:37:35,641
them to a trailhead or to a valley where

3656
02:37:41,961 --> 02:37:37,171
there's a lot of cars then what do you

3657
02:37:43,940 --> 02:37:41,971
do and there's going to be witnesses etc

3658
02:37:44,780 --> 02:37:43,950
etcetera it's it's a very hard thing to

3659
02:37:47,060 --> 02:37:44,790
understand

3660
02:37:48,560 --> 02:37:47,070
David polite is tell our listeners where

3661
02:37:51,261 --> 02:37:48,570
they can find more of the things you do

3662
02:37:54,320 --> 02:37:51,271
well I would hope that you would go to

3663
02:37:57,400 --> 02:37:54,330
the kam CA n as an answer Canadian

3664
02:37:59,301 --> 02:37:57,410
American Canyon and missing dot-com and

3665
02:38:02,480 --> 02:37:59,311
there you can find out more information

3666
02:38:03,011 --> 02:38:02,490
about missing people and in links to our

3667
02:38:05,751 --> 02:38:03,021
books

3668
02:38:08,631 --> 02:38:05,761
JC Johnson where do we find more of your

3669
02:38:10,671 --> 02:38:08,641
stuff you can find find us on youtube I

3670
02:38:13,640 --> 02:38:10,681
think under crypto four-corners channel

3671
02:38:15,770 --> 02:38:13,650
or under JC Johnson we've got a lot of

3672
02:38:18,650 --> 02:38:15,780
investigative videos here we've got some

3673
02:38:20,841 --> 02:38:18,660
mutilation videos with livestock that

3674
02:38:23,091 --> 02:38:20,851
are ones that make you scratch your head

3675
02:38:25,911 --> 02:38:23,101
you know also find me on Facebook JC

3676
02:38:28,400 --> 02:38:25,921
Johnson and you can also check out Chris

3677
02:38:31,610 --> 02:38:28,410
O'Brien stuff at our strange planet calm

3678
02:38:34,461 --> 02:38:31,620
our strange planet calm for us you can

3679
02:38:36,470 --> 02:38:34,471
find us on Twitter we're known as the

3680
02:38:38,961 --> 02:38:36,480
power cast there's power cast fan club

3681
02:38:42,470 --> 02:38:38,971
two of them on Facebook we'll go to the

3682
02:38:44,121 --> 02:38:42,480
power cast comm JC johnson david Politis

3683
02:38:46,701 --> 02:38:44,131
thank you both for joining us this week

3684
02:38:53,660 --> 02:38:46,711
on the power cast thank you and God

3685
02:39:00,190 --> 02:38:56,670
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3686
02:39:03,100 --> 02:39:00,200
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3687
02:39:06,091 --> 02:39:03,110
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3688
02:39:09,820 --> 02:39:06,101
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